Work Continue on Nineteen

lamphega

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Now that my boats in the barn I am working in the engine compartment and am finding some surprises. The trim pump trim indicator assembly is not bolted down, just chicken wired to a steering component! Good thing I never got it in the water or it would have been bouncing around. got to take a close look at that an get it properly mounted. My trim/tilt has been working but slowly and I want to check the pump. Boy the fit in this is tight-what fluid do you guys use and where exactly does it go?
I went to take the water separator filter out to replace and found out it was bolted to transom with one loose bolt-whole thing popped off in my hand so will have to fix that.
And then there is the knock in outdrive and the Gimbel bearing needs to be replaced and I hear that is a heck of a job and don't have the cash right now to take to mechanic.
Oh well, knew this old boat was going to be a slow fix and yet I still love her anyway. I am hopeless.
 

ziggy

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Re: Work Continue on Nineteen

hi lamphega
got to take a close look at that an get it properly mounted.
i've never looked at how the sender is mounted. but here's a pic of it mounted.
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don't know if that'll help or not. if ya need a better pic let me know and i'll go snap one or two off.

I want to check the pump. Boy the fit in this is tight
sure is a tight fit. imho, anything behind #6 is a bear to get at on a nineteen. everything looks easy to get, but it's not.
what fluid do you guys use and where exactly does it go?
s/m #2 calls for 20w motor oil... :eek: ya can't buy 20w any more best i know. i use 10w-30 i believe. it's a pain to fill too. i found a real small funnel works well. i got me a small funnel with an auto batt. i got one time. it was to be used to fill the cells of the batt. with distilled water. this small funnel fits right into the hole needed to fill the trim pump. see attachment for fill location.

I went to take the water separator filter out to replace and found out it was bolted to transom with one loose bolt-whole thing popped off in my hand so will have to fix that.
to me, that's the most worrisome comment. while i don't think there's a lot of wood in the transom of a Nineteen. i do think there is some right around where the gimble housing (inner transom shield) mounts in place. if this is really wood, and maybe aristocraft can confirm, i would think you'd want to be sure this wood is intact and not rotted. personally, i'm still running w/o a fuel/water separator. probably shouldn't be, but i am w/o ramifications, so far.

And then there is the knock in outdrive
be sure to find that knock if you can. i had a real minor grind (could feel gears meshing or brgs rotating), couldn't tell till (on mine) last fall after drive removal. i only found my issue with the drive on the bench, upper and lower separated. the upper still felt poorly. turned out to be the top brg. of the driven gear shaft was on it's way out due to rust. replaced that and all was smooth again. imho. find that knock prior to drive implosion. seen another guy here on iboats that didn't catch his. same brg. his brg. disintegrated and i would guess cost him a drive.
the Gimbel bearing needs to be replaced and I hear that is a heck of a job.
it's not a light weight job, but it's not horrible hard either. if the gimble brg. turns totally free, totally smooth, w/o feel or sound, the brg. is ok. anything else and it would require replacement. one hard part is to remove the large snap ring on the aft side of the brg. i got some cheapo long azz needle nose pliers from harbor frieght. ground a notch in the tip, and i had snap ring pliers.
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this worked well. i used a three jaw puller i obtained from my local parts store, rented to me i believe. the new one was easy to drive in though i had borrowed the proper tool from my local merc mech. i'm not sure, but there may be a work around using a seal driver or the likes. might ask this question for an alternative tool on the i/o forum. maybe someone has made one?? if ya do replace it. replace it as an assembly. http://www.boatfix.com/merc/Bullet/85/85_26.pdf you'll also need to get an alignment bar to align the gimble brg with the coupler. this is imparitive that you do this step, w/ an alignment bar. so you'll need one of those. i procrastinated about getting one. i shouldn't have. if your gonna work on an outdrive, it's a must have tool. good luck in your repairs and if ya need some more pics. let me know and i'll see if i can snap some off for you.

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on the trim pump. inspect the fluid you have in place now. best i understand. anything from hydrolic fluid to motor oil can be used. you don't want to mix hydrolic fluid and motor oil. so which ever you have, use that. also. if you want to remove all fluid from the trim pump resiviour, i use a fluid extractor. same one i use to remove the engine oil. this works well. also, since ya can't see down the fill hole to see how much fluid ya got, i use a wire tie i bent over at 90* and insert that down the resiviour. my guesstimate is between 1 7/8" and 2'' on my home made dip stick is full. lastly, check trim pump fluid level with the drive all the way in/down. if it's up/out, some of the fluid will be in the rams so the resiviour would be low.
 

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lamphega

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Re: Work Continue on Nineteen

As always sir, thanks a bunch. You are full of good information and I need a lot. According to a drawing online the sender mounts to a bracket that mounts to the trim pump itself. I am on my way to my barn right now to look again. Mine was in that general position, about the same as yours, but actually was only wired down. I cracked open a fitting on the pump line and a pinkish fluid leaked out so I am guessing it is hydraulic fluid in there.
Now how long it has been in there and what shape it is... I have a fluid extractor so it is coming out once all is buttoned up.
I need to find a new place for the fuel/water filter.
Yeah, the outdrive is coming off soon for a full inspection and replacement of any needed parts. I have seen a tool set on ebay that includes alignment tool, bearing insertion tool and bellows tool so I guess that is making it's way onto my Xmas list :)
 

lamphega

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Well I have looked and I have no idea how it is supposed to be installed-the trim sending unit that is. And I need to replace some of those wires too.
 

ziggy

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Re: Work Continue on Nineteen

wish i'd have read your reply prior to going out and draining my manifold and block (fwiw, gonna be in the high 30's tonight and i don't wanna take a chance the weather man is wrong on the high side). i was right there looking at the sender. just glancing at it. agreed. it wasn't just plaine stright fwd as to how it was held in place. in this case the s/m don't seem so helpful either.
from s/m 2.
"Trim sender installation
Install hydraulic trim sender (if applicable) to transom with two 9/32'' (7.14mm) spacers between trim sender bracket and transom and 2 lockwashers and lag screws.
2. Inset hydraulic trim sender lines as shown in figure 5. "

well, in my glance at it on my boat, the sender isn't mounted to the transom, it's on a the shift plate bracket. as pictured. ya can see the shift cable, interrupt sw. and rev. lock valve i think. + the sender, just not how it's held in place. grrr.

i'll try to get out and take some pics to discover how it's held in place for ya soon.
 

ziggy

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Re: Work Continue on Nineteen

i havn't forgot about ya lamp. i took some more pics saturday. bummer, i still don't see hows it's attached. ya got any pics of it free from mounted? maybe a clue where ya think it's bolted up at?
next time i'm out with the boat, i'll get my mirror out. maybe that can shed some light... sure is elusive to me at this point as to how it's held in place.
 
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