Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

[rodbolt]

Re: Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

pointer, team Citgo fielded a pair of cats with V10's and merc outdrives in the Orinoco river race about 2 years ago as part of a field testing event. both merc and chysler engineers are working with a third party on the engineering and feasibility studies, so far the 420HP 8.1 GM can be a dog as the cam is so agressive if the static water line is marginal it blows water into the cyl on an opposite bank.<br /> there are some patches/fixes but the water intrusion problem is still about.<br />if I can find it there is a good write up on the cats with V-10's and the Orinoco river race. I was hoping to be there this summer but maybe next now. however this past december I did get to see the Orinoco and fish lake Guri <br /> I hope the V-10, with 2 more levers, can run a less agressive cam and bypass the water intrusion problem.

 

[TwoBallScrewBall]

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As far as the 5.3 silverado.... yeah right! I'm still laughing. Maybe an SS with the 4.10's in the back.<br />

Keep laughing. Then when you're done, pick up a car and driver or autoweek and check the quarter mile times. <br /><br />You were the one that brought up the 6.0 (quoting incorrect specs at that) earlier. <br /><br />I didn't say anything about the SS. The SS is an AWD 6.0 and is not that much quicker than the 5.3, and is slower than the standard 1500 with a 6.0. You're paying $40000 for all wheel drive, a body kit and 20's there. Plus you'd need 4.10's in the front too since it's standard full time all wheel drive. <br /><br />I said that the 5.3 vortec 1500 silverado will out accelerate the 5.9 hemi ram. Go ahead and proove me wrong. I've had plenty on stoplight time putting 50,000 miles on my 2004 5.3 to know I can leave the hemi's in the rear view unless there are a significant number of bolt ons under the hood of the hemi. Even the ones with the cute little bumble bee on the back. I'm running a gauze filter and a gibson cat-back exhaust.<br /><br />I'm not dumb enough to go up against an SRT and give up a 200hp loss. <br /><br />I wouldn't call putting 345hp up against 500hp "realistic". <br /><br />I owned a dodge. It was a 1997 Ram I purchased new in 1997, with the 5.2 magnum. Went through three short blocks and two sets of heads in 18 months, under warranty, due to an overheating problem that kept warping the heads. My first and last experience buying a Dodge pickup.

 

[RubberFrog]

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Originally posted by Stiff Nibbles:<br />Keep laughing. Then when you're done, pick up a car and driver or autoweek and check the quarter mile times.

Do you race magazines or actual vehicles?<br /><br /> I said that the 5.3 vortec 1500 silverado will out accelerate the 5.9 hemi ram. Go ahead and proove me wrong. <br /><br />First, there's no such thing as a "5.9 hemi ram", you must be comfusing it with the 5.7. <br />Second, you did NOT say "5.3 vortec 1500 silverado will out accelerate the 5.9 hemi ram." You said "the 295hp 5.3 silverado outruns the hemi dodge ram to 60 and in the 1/4 mile."<br /><br />I've had plenty on stoplight time putting 50,000 miles on my 2004 5.3 to know I can leave the hemi's in the rear view unless there are a significant number of bolt ons under the hood of the hemi. Even the ones with the cute little bumble bee on the back. I'm running a gauze filter and a gibson cat-back exhaust. <br /><br />Isn't that a double standard? You've got a bolt-on intake and exhaust but note that a hemi can't out run you without bolt-ons....<br /><br />I'm not dumb enough to go up against an SRT and give up a 200hp loss. <br /><br />I guess you're conceding that Dodge does have some muscle after all? <br /><br /> I owned a dodge. It was a 1997 Ram I purchased new in 1997, with the 5.2 magnum. Went through three short blocks and two sets of heads in 18 months, under warranty, due to an overheating problem that kept warping the heads. My first and last experience buying a Dodge pickup. <br /><br />If your last experience with a Dodge was 9 years ago and with a known cr@p engine, it doesn't sound like you even know what you're talking about with the hemi.<br /><br />Based on your post, it sounds like you've been racing 245 hp 5.9's and 5.2's and thinking you were beating hemis.... you were mistaken.

 

[ZmOz]

Re: Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

Originally posted by RubberFrog:<br />I guess you're conceding that Dodge does have some muscle after all?

Yeah, at over $50,000 for a half ton pickup! I can't say that without laughing...<br /><br />You could put a $5k supercharger on a $30k Chevy SS or even another Hemi and make the SRT10 cry to his mommy.

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

And what happens if you put a supercharger on a srt?

 

[ZmOz]

Re: Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

Originally posted by RubberFrog:<br /> And what happens if you put a supercharger on a srt?

You get the "I've got way more money than sense" award.

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

lol

 

[DJ]

Re: Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

Rod bolt nailed it. The marine market is too small to mess with. Toyota figured that out----quick.<br /><br />Once the GM cast iron blocks disappear, expect a huge increase in price. The "package price" advantage (sometimes) of an I/O vs. Outboard will quickly evaporate.<br /><br />New I/O's will have to have closed cooling and other tricks to make the sophisticated engine management systems work while being lied to.<br /><br />Trust me, the Germans (DCX/Chrysler) have no intentions to provide you with a cheap boat motor.<br /><br />Let's not even mention--EPA.

 

[demsvmejm]

Re: Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

At the risk of angering the (mopar) Gods I will chime in here. Chrysler has insisted on haveing computers do as much as electronically possible for many years now. This adds to the powerplant cost and adds complexity to installing it in a marine application. MOPAR fuel economy has been woeful at best for years. No Chrysler product I am aware of competes in the MPG arena. And since that will carry-over to the marine applications too, it's not much of a choice. Chrysler used to be a big contender in the motorhome and industrial equipment markets too. But last I knew there wasn't much except GM and Ford in motorhomes and numerous manufacturers in the industrial application with Chrysler being notoriously absent.

 

[TwoBallScrewBall]

Re: Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

Hey,<br /><br />

Do you race magazines or actual vehicles?

Both. <br /><br />

Second, you did NOT say "5.3 vortec 1500 silverado will out accelerate the 5.9 hemi ram." You said "the 295hp 5.3 silverado outruns the hemi dodge ram to 60 and in the 1/4 mile."<br />

Explain the difference.<br /><br />

Isn't that a double standard? You've got a bolt-on intake and exhaust but note that a hemi can't out run you without bolt-ons....<br />

Did you miss the word significant? And it's not an intake, it's just the filter. So an air filter and a muffler. <br /><br />

I guess you're conceding that Dodge does have some muscle after all? <br />

Yup. 500hp qualifies as muscle. But for $50K I'll buy a corvette, light up the ram, and get 27mpg. I know, we're talking trucks. <br /><br />

If your last experience with a Dodge was 9 years ago and with a known cr@p engine, it doesn't sound like you even know what you're talking about with the hemi.<br /><br />Based on your post, it sounds like you've been racing 245 hp 5.9's and 5.2's and thinking you were beating hemis.... you were mistaken.<br /><br />

Yes, that was my last experience. And 9 years ago you likely would have told me how I got a lemon and that the 5.2 was the greatest engine on the planet.<br /><br />And, unless folks are buying hemi badges and rumble bee stickers and sticking them on standard 5.9's, I know what I was lining up against. <br /><br />Yeah, you got me on the 5.7 thing. Not used to typing 5.7 and dodge in the same sentence. <br /><br />My father in law has a 2005 Ram with the hemi. Ask him how it stacked up against the 5.3 from the line. Hey at least he's got a hemi.