US currency unconstitutional?

achris

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I have been watching with interest the court case about the school who was teaching 'creationism' (under the new name of Intelligent Design) and find myself questioning the validity of the US currency. Based on the Plantiff's agrument that the constitution says that the state must remain seperate from religious issues, then why are the words "In God We Trust" printed on the US currency?
 
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I don't know who you trust, but God is trust worthy regardless of your politics. Why do you bring this up?
 

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Holy moley. An achris sighting. Why don't you just post a Hi? Welcome back!!!
 

Ron G

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Im not familar with the court case,but it all started when we as americans ,let the judges make there own conclusions to the constition instead of going by it,JMO
 

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Don't care, I am not digging up that money in the back yard yet.
 

KRS

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Hello achris... it's good to see (read) you !
 

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RubberFrog

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In God We Trust... All Others Must Pay Cash.
 

dogsdad

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Anyone who's disturbed by this reference to God on your money---I'll be glad to take it off your hands. Don't want ya walkin' round with money you don't like in yer pockets.<br /><br /> ;)
 

imported_Curmudgeon

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The constitution readily acknowleges God, and only prohibits the federal government from establishing a national religion (like the Church Of England at the time).<br /><br />That provision has been *******ized in recent decades to include government prohibition against all things "religious". I'd be surprized if the current court ruled the motto as a conflict, although it's quite possible some moronic district judge would.
 

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Welcome back achris<br /><br />We needed someone to trust with our money. So far God is the only one who wont just take it.<br /> :D
 

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The god crap was added by fanatics in 1861; it wasn't always that way, of course. Just like the *******ization of the pledge in the 50s.<br /><br />But the fake money we all carry has much bigger issues than that. Research it and make your head spin.
 

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Caution!!! OT Rabbit rant follows… And it’s all Ron’s fault!<br /> :D <br /><br />A few of the colonies/states had a requirement you had to be a member of a specific church in order to vote. Hence the “freedom of religion” in the Bill of Rights; the idea being everyone (men) should able to vote regardless of any religious affiliation.<br /><br />The fed gov’t can establish a federal religion; they just can’t fund it or require anyone to belong to it; i.e. it can never amount to anything more than a nebulous idea.<br /><br />Ron nailed it, the judiciary in the United States is out of control; corrupt beyond belief. It’s not just corrupt, it is really, really corrupt. Maybe a ray of light is opening within the judicial darkness in South Dakota. Actually, a pretty interesting situation is now starting to come together there, if the timing is right.<br /><br />SD’s legislature is moving to outlaw all abortion except when the mother’s life is at stake. Obviously unconstitutional by today's judical standards, but the legislature doesn’t care. The state’s atty gen’l plans to keep appealing any court’s decision striking down their abortion ban until the case gets to the US Supreme Court. SD is gambling the brand new landscape of the Fed SC will be willing to overturn Row v Wade.<br /><br />But that’s not particularly interesting. What’s interesting is SD also has something on the ballot called Amendment E. If the timing is right and Amend E passes, it will make a judge personally responsible for a decision IF the judge intentionally violates the law or doesn’t have a basis in law for the decision. It will be the death nail to ‘ruling from the bench’ in SD’s state courts.<br /><br />Who will decide when a judge INTENTIALLY vacates their oath of office to uphold the constitution?!? It won’t be other judges. Won’t be lawyers, either. Not even cops will be able to make that decision. A special grand jury will be seated, comprised of everyday people not associated with the legal industry or law enforcement. First offense: the judges is fined and may be personally sued by whomever was wronged by that judge's decision. Second offence: removal from the bench, and may be sued.<br /><br />JAIL, Judicial Accountability Initiative Legislation. JAIL is being opposed by every lawyer’s organization in the country, every judge’s organization in the country, every District Atty’s org. Law enforcement is suspiciously quiet on the issue, although some retired law enforcement is very supportive of JAIL. The judiciaries of California, Oregon, Idaho, Texas, Tenn, Kansas, Arkansas, Florida, New York, New Jersey have all gotten directly involved in the defeat of JAIL in South Dakota. SD’s legislature is spending taxpayer’s money to build and maintain a website to support the defeat of JAIL.<br /><br />Amazing! All of that taxpayer's money and legal effort aligning to defeat a law that does nothing more than make a judge accountable for their actions, but only if a judge INTENTIALLY violates the law. Unintentional violations and errors in rulings will not carry any penalty and will need to be resolved thru the appeals process as they always have.<br /><br />What’s going to be most interesting is if JAIL passes before the outlawing of abortion passes. The abortion issue will be challenged in SD courts, but the state judges initially hearing the case will be bound to decide based on what is constitutional, ‘les they be fined and sued and made to personally pay the cost of an appeal of their decision. Row v. Wade is NOT based in any constitutional law; it is embedded in a court’s action of legislating from the bench; a decision to embed abortion in the right to privacy.<br /><br />So a judge in SD hearing an abortion ban case will need to hold Row v Wade up to the light of the constitution and decide if the shines thru without obstruction on the right to abort, regardless of what Row v Wade says. It may well be a state court in SD decides the US Supreme Court erred, and the SD state court will be bound to uphold a ban on abortion in SD, and in so doing start unraveling the threads that hold Row v Wade together, causing the US Supreme Court to hear a right to abort case all over again.
 

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"the constitution says that the state must remain seperate from religious issues,"<br /><br />says no such thing.
 

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The satanic latin qoutes and Mason pyramid scare me. What's even scarier is the saying" Federal Reserve Note" This means this paper is worthless, backed by nuttin. This note is a debt. You can't pay a debt with a debt, that's fraud!
 

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You can relax, Wild Bill. It’s not a Mason pyramid, nor is it a Mason eyeball. That’s just fictitious stuff of the Di Vinci Code. Both are religious symbols, Christian, in origin.<br /><br />
Originally posted by wildbill59:<br /> … This note is a debt. You can't pay a debt with a debt, that's fraud!
Well, kind of and kind of not. It is a promissory note, not a debt. What is fraudulent is that you are no longer allowed to exchange it for its face value in gold.<br /><br />That promissory note is called a “bill”, i.e. a dollar bill. The word “bill” has a couple diff meanings. Originally Admiralty Law prohibited the paying a “bill” (i.e. debt) with another “bill” (debt). But on terra firma the Law of The Land allows paying a bill with a bill; i.e. the guy that fixes your car hands you the bill and you pay him with your dollar bills.<br /><br />Fwiw, the railing in a courtroom between the lawyers and the people is called the “bar”. It is there to represent a separation of the Law of the Land from Admiralty Law. It’s highly symbolic. Well, that's what I heard.
 

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What's even scarier is the saying" Federal Reserve Note" This means this paper is worthless, backed by nuttin.
That and the whole Federal Reserve Banking system is what came to mind when I read the topic.<br />Funny that "In God We Trust" would be a Constitutional issue but the Federal Reserve is Constitutionally fine and dandy?<br /><br />Leave it to the "bar" to have the "law of the land" trump The Constitution.
 

achris

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Hi All,<br /><br />Thanks for the welcome back, although I'm sure there are still some out there who are not so pleased to see me back.<br /><br />Been spending a lot of time working mostly. <br /><br />However, on to the issue at hand. <br /><br />For Roscoe. This is an exerpt(sp?) from the first ammendment.<br /><br />"The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretence, infringed."<br /><br />I'm sure that the reference to a christian god on the US currency does infringe on the beliefs of some non-christians. <br /><br />The reason it all started is to do with the case of the Dover District school in Pennsylvania. The plantiff agrument is based around the first amendment and I just thought is was interesting that the main instrument of finance of the US is steeped in a religious issue that could be challenged under the same amendment.<br /><br />That's all......
 
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