overheated 4 stroke honda 35 horse jet

zachary

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I just ran my 97 honda 35 horse jet up a river and overheated the motor. I ran into a sandbar, and while trying to get unstuck before the tide changed, I turned off the motor. When I tried starting it again, I was unable to start it with the electric start. I used a rope to start it, but it seemed to stick in one particular point of turning. I ran the engine at a pretty high throttle for about 5 minutes before I noticed that the outboard wasn't pissing. I turned off the outboard, and cleaned out where the water comes out, and removed the small bolt to allow for free water flow. It took a few times of starting the motor, running it for a few seconds, and then cleaning out the sand, before water started shooting out. The motor now runs louder with a bit less power, and I am unable to start it with the electric start. The power head spins when I pull start it easily for most of the spin, and then very hard to spin for part of the spin. What sort of damage did I do by overheating it, and how can I go about determining the problem and fixing it?
 

enn

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Re: overheated 4 stroke honda 35 horse jet

´Start by taking an compresion test - if possible take an endoscope and look inside cylinders.This will give you an indication of what may be wrong<br /><br />Probably the head gasket is blown.
 

zachary

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Re: overheated 4 stroke honda 35 horse jet

If the head gasket is blown, will there be some water in the oil?
 

zachary

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Re: overheated 4 stroke honda 35 horse jet

Well....false alarm,<br />I guess my battery crapped out on me, and needed replacing. I swapped out the spark plugs which were a bit cooked, and started her up, and she ran just fine. Well enough to catch a few cohos. Thanks for the help.
 

Skinnywater

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Re: overheated 4 stroke honda 35 horse jet

Hello Zach,<br />There are a couple of marine pro's out here that might give you a better answer, until then I'll give you my spin. And, not always, on the oil in water question.<br />It's a little unclear if you overheated before you hit the sandbar or after.<br />I'll assume it was after since you were purging sand from the cooling system.<br />Since I own a '02 Honda50 jet, I'll absolutely hate the day my jetpump is packin'sand,rocks,and other river bottom. <br />I don't have an answer why the starter isn't working yet you can turn it over by rope.<br />However, it may be possible that the major damage is elsewhere instead of an overheat. Usually a 4 stroke overheat with damage would be evident with smoking, blue smoke for oil burning from scored pistons/cylinders or steam from headgasket/warpage. Along with rough running denoting compression loss. You didn't mention these symptoms.<br />You have mentioned noises and a lack of power along with a rough spot while rotating the engine.<br />It's important to remember your jet doesn't have a nuetral like prop jobs do. The pump spins anytime the motor spins. Imagine the jetpump sucking buckets of sand and debris through the impeller and cup. This alone can DRASTICALLY reduce your power. The stiff place your feeling AND the noises your hearing may be that very damage to the pump. This damage will be a given if you sucked river bottom.<br />As far as the overheat. There's going to be a lot of debris hanging around the stat,impeller, and jackets. This will have to be dealt with along with the jet. However, while you may have been running hot, you may not have overheated. The smoking will be the telltail, along with a compression test, although a cylinder leakdown test is a more valuable diagnostic tool. Excessive blowby from the crankcase is easy to check also. <br />Maybe just maybe, a cooling system clean with a stat and purge, a valve adjustment/oilchange/tune ,along with a new impeller/cup (stainless is the only way to go), you'll be running the riffles again.<br />Oh, and that wire (to the starting circut)that got pulled off during your unintentional dredging.<br /><br />My Honda has an overheat alarm AND a "limphome" feature if the engine overheats, did they not have that on the '97?
 

Skinnywater

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Re: overheated 4 stroke honda 35 horse jet

Shoot Zack! It took me longer then the 20 someodd stinking minutes to write all that, that it took to post over you!<br /> <br />I'd still take a good look at that pump before you hit the river. At least pull all the little willow roots, snails,crawdads, agates, cigarette butts, styrafoam worm tubs and salmon roe out of the jetpump. ;)
 
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