Oil starvation symptoms?

DeepBlue2010

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Hi,
Last week, I had to replace my water pump on my Mercruiser 7.4 Bravo III. As you know, the water pump is attached to the engine block. The impeller was in shreds so I had to reverse flush the system to get rid of the pieces. For that, I disconnected my oil cooler from the heat exchanger; disconnect the upper oil line (coming from the remote oil filter) from the cooler so I can move it free. Then, I put a water hose in the loose end of the cooler (the upper end that was attached to the heat exchanger) and flushed the system. The small pieces came out of the other end of the system (The hose that connects to the water pump) but there is no way to tell if I got them all. Shortly after, everything was back together and the engine running nice and cool. This was Saturday 08/04. On Sunday 08/05, I took her out the whole day and everything was fine. On Saturday the 11[SUP]th[/SUP], I took her out for few hours and everything was working perfect. Yesterday, Sunday the 12[SUP]th[/SUP], while I am warming up the engine and after about, say 15 minutes mostly on idle or very low RPM, my sound alarm kept going on and off and my oil pressure gauge is at zero with few spikes to 20 for no more than 2 seconds (since I start monitoring anyway). The engine temp did not increase. I returned back to the dock, took about 5-10 minutes, and turned off the engine. When I opened the engine hatch, the oil was splashed everywhere and ended up in the bilge. The splash patterns indicated that the oil is leaking on top of the belts. I pumped out whatever left of the oil inside the engine which was not much at all (the pump was able to get out about a quart ? with no sealed and tight connection to the threaded end of the dip stick - with no signs of water in it. After adding oil (1.5 Gallons to the full mark on the dip stick) first thing I checked is the oil filter hose I disconnected from the oil cooler during the water pump replacement, and this was it. The hose was leaking but not from the bolted connection, it was leaking from the metal brace on top of this.
I will try to find a replacement for this hose but this is the least of my worries now. I am so concerned that the engine ran few minutes with very little oil and very low oil pressure. My math says that there were about 3-4 quarts left in the block (Total oil capacity = 8 quarts). Questions time for the experts..


  • What symptoms of oil starvation I should be in the lookout for?
  • Do you guys think that the engine might have suffered an irreversible damage? How can I tell?
  • Can any of the impeller pieces cause the oil pressure to increase to the point that it start leaking out?
  • Why my fuel pump did not disconnect due to the low oil pressure? My understanding is that it should have disconnected, am I correct?
 

Don S

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Re: Oil starvation symptoms?

Got a Merc serial number for your engine?
 

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Re: Oil starvation symptoms?

What symptoms of oil starvation I should be in the lookout for?

Do you guys think that the engine might have suffered an irreversible damage? How can I tell?

Can any of the impeller pieces cause the oil pressure to increase to the point that it start leaking out?

Why my fuel pump did not disconnect due to the low oil pressure? My understanding is that it should have disconnected, am I correct?

Ayuh,.... If there's motor damage, it'll become apparent, Soon...

Symptoms include, lower general oil pressure,... tickin',... or Knockin'....

The impeller can't cause an oil leak,... shiftin', 'n movin' 'round an old oil hose, Does....

The electric switch of the fuel pump is triggered at, I think, 2/ 5 psi...
The carb will run, for Awhile, on it's bowled fuel...
 

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Re: Oil starvation symptoms?

Thanks you both for your feedback. The engine serial - as it appears on the service invoice - is 0F809833 0M165741
 

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Re: Oil starvation symptoms?

Don S,

Was there anything you wanted to add based on the engine SN?
 

DeepBlue2010

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Quick update. The hose did not do the trick. The belts still splashing oil everywhere. My plan is to remove the oil cooler and visually inspect it for leaks then pressure test it. Any other things I need to check guys?
 

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Quick update. The hose did not do the trick. The belts still splashing oil everywhere. My plan is to remove the oil cooler and visually inspect it for leaks then pressure test it. Any other things I need to check guys?

Ayuh,.... Unfortunately, the only way to find an oil leak, or water leak,.... is LOOK....

With a Gusher like that, it shouldn't be to awful hard to find...
 

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Don S,

Was there anything you wanted to add based on the engine SN?

I was asking so I could answer the question you had
"Why my fuel pump did not disconnect due to the low oil pressure? My understanding is that it should have disconnected, am I correct?"

You have a mechanical fuel pump, not electric, so the oil pressure will not stop the fuel pump from working.
 

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Re: Oil starvation symptoms?

I had a similar thing happen to my 7.4L. I pumped oil into my bilge until I only had 2 qts left before i noticed. After fixing the leak and filling it back up I got about 35 hrs run time out of it before it developed a knock.

I'm 100 hrs later on a turned down crank and new main bearings and rod bearings and all seems well.
 

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Re: Oil starvation symptoms?

I guess time will tell the story. I am OK rebuilding the engine if it needs to, I only pray I don't lose a season because of it. Summer time in Seattle is very rare and precious. You did not say what was the reason for the leak!

Mine turned out to be because of the lower remote oil filter hydraulic hose that goes to the lower end of the oil cooler. It seems like a duh-moment on my part not to check for clearance between this hose and the power steering pump belt. Could be an expensive mistake if it starts to develop knocking soon. I hope this thread will help someone avoiding the same mistake. Thanks all for your help
 

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Re: Oil starvation symptoms?

Check the oil pressure sender. If these rupture & leak they will dump lots of oil in a hurry. Any line that carries oil under 60 PSI will also sling oil all over. If the oil filter was recently changed, check to ensure the gasket from the old filter didn't remain stuck to the oil filter housing. Two gaskets in that area is not a good thing as they will blow out with messy consequences.
 

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Guys,

One more question, after replacing the hydrolic hoses the connects the oil cooler, I noticed that my oil pressure gauge is reading between 60 and 70. Before, it used to "live" between 45-55. I don't know if this is good or bad. What is the "normal" reading for this gauge on 7.4 in different operation conditions (i.e. cold vs warm)?
 

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IF it were me, I'd buy or build yourself a priming tool (shaft off an old distributor) and then use that with your cordless drill to run the oil pump. That way you can look for your leak and not worry about starving anything of oil.
 

DeepBlue2010

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Guys,

As I indicated in my previous posts, the leak was fixed and the cause was identified. The answer for my earlier question about the symptoms I need to watch for after my engine ran few minutes on low oil/oil pressure was - more or less - "no way to answer or test and only time will tell".

I prologize if I am confusing everyone by continue to ask related questions in the same thread. I read so many times that this is the preferred etiquette in iBoats as opposed to starting a new thread. The question about the oil pressure is after everything was fixed. Is 60-70 PSI normal for 7.4?
 

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Re: Oil starvation symptoms?

So, what is norm at idle both cold and warm? Also, if it is 10 PSI below the "worry level" what might be causing it and how to troubleshoot?
 

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Re: Oil starvation symptoms?

So, what is norm at idle both cold and warm? Also, if it is 10 PSI below the "worry level" what might be causing it and how to troubleshoot?

Idle will be anywhere from 40 cold down to maybe 10 hot, I wouldn't worry too much about the high side of idle. Operating RPM under 80 is fine, there is nothing to troubleshoot - oil pressure is good up until the point that you have too much.
 

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Re: Oil starvation symptoms?

Well if you have sudden high oil pressure, it can indicate a spun or partially spun bearing. But that would be shortly followed by bad engine noise. Did you put a new filter on? Use same weight oil? Is the new line smaller and restricting flow? Oil pressure is an indicator, and by no means tells you what is going on at all lube points
 

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I would recommend cutting the oil filter open and look for any metal caught in the filter material. If you find very much you may want to go deeper into the engine to try to save the crank and block.
 

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Re: Oil starvation symptoms?

Mine was showing 40-60 psi even after it started knocking. IMO, 80 is high. did you change the weight of oil and is it showing 80 psi under load after a good warm up?

IMO, you may be over thinking this. Listen and keep an eye on it and see where it goes would be my suggestion.

I was surprised that i developed a knock, after 35 hrs, from my low oil incident. I did all kinds of tests thinking the knock was coming from the top end and not bottom. I just kept tearing down and putting back together top end components w/o the knock disappearing. it turned out it was in the bottom end. I was shocked that it took all summer to show up. I just assumed it would quickly manifest itself.
 
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