Needed pull starter spring TD-20 1947+- Johnson

dancamp009

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Almost got this sucker running, it even ran a couple seconds, until the pull starter spring broke. Here is a picture of what I need. Anybody have a used one? Or know where I can buy a new one?
thanks again
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Chinewalker

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Re: Needed pull starter spring TD-20 1947+- Johnson

I would just bend the end over. Take the spring out of the housing. I usually do this by laying a couple of rags thick on the floor then tossing the recoil onto the rags, spring down, and let it unspring itself out of the housing.

Then, gently clamp the broken end in a vice, noting which way it has to bend. heat up the last 3/4inch of the spring with a propane torch, red hot. Using needle nose pliers, wrap the end around a nail of the same diameter as the engagement pin on the recoil pulley. You can practice a bit on the broken piece to get the timing and maneuvering down. You essentially crimp it around the nail to put a new end on it. Don't heat up more of the spring than you need to, as you can make it brittle and lose it's springy-ness if you heat up too much of it. Let it air cool - don't dunk it in water.

Once cool, coil it up to a shade smaller than the recessed area in the housing. Clamp it gently with a pair of Vice Grips, only grabbing about half the thickness, from the bottom side of the spring. Insert it in the housing and release the Grips. Push it all the way in until seated. Apply a light grease to the sides of the spring, working it in a bit. I also like to spray a bit of WD-40 into the grease to let it seep in a bit. A long skinny screwdriver can help align the spring end with the pin on the pulley when reassembling.

I generally only put about 2 turns past rope-in to tension the spring on this type of recoil. All the spring does on this style is pull the rope in, as it is not operating any other cogs or catches. Put a new rope in while you're at it...

- Scott
 

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Re: Needed pull starter spring TD-20 1947+- Johnson

The kink in the spring is what happens from backlash when the rope breaks and the pulley goes flying back. I think that spring is the same as newer models that were used for the next 50 years or so. They probably have it right here at iboats in their Sierra Marine line.
 

OBJ

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Re: Needed pull starter spring TD-20 1947+- Johnson

Think FR is right. I replaced one on the same motor just last summer. Just can't remember the part number.
 

steelespike

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Re: Needed pull starter spring TD-20 1947+- Johnson

Scott has the whole procedure down.Ive done my own version a number of times on lawn mowers,chainsaws,outboards etc.If your a wrench guy it should be no problem.As Scott said keep the heat to as small an area as possible but don't skimp as it may crack.
 

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Re: Needed pull starter spring TD-20 1947+- Johnson

I replaced one on my 1950 TD-20 and used the same spring off a mid 50's 3hp. Don't have the part num available but it fit right on. It was the oldest 3hp spring my supplier had and it fit well.

*** Oops, forget what I said, I was thinking my HD-25 for some reason and I can't figure out how to delete this post! Only edit it. ***
 

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OMC/BRP changed the number about a dozen times. The latest number is 395460. Sierra Marine number is 18-6501. I didn't take the time to check i-boats but would think they will have it under 18-6501.
 

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Re: Needed pull starter spring TD-20 1947+- Johnson

Also, if you let it cool slowly in an insulating material like sand it won't lose so much of its sproinginess.
 

dancamp009

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Re: Needed pull starter spring TD-20 1947+- Johnson

Thanks guys.. I'll try the repair method first, then, if that fails, buy another one. You all continue to amaze me. . . I've been wrenchin quite a while myself (I'm 58 yrs old) and never thought to repair the old one, daaaaaaaaaaaaa. Feel like I'm in a big repair shop here with a bunch of old pros. What a site, what a trip. . .
I'll post the results on this engine if I ever get it running on all my posts where I ask for help on this engine.
I actually have one more question regarding the choke screw and air valve, which I'm going to post another post for just to keep subject lines on line.
thanks again guys
 

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Re: Needed pull starter spring TD-20 1947+- Johnson

Just for grins, I ran the part number FR posted. Still available. 395460 is called "spring and rivet assembly" but the price was listed at $9.39. Went back to a 68' 20hp J/Rude and it uses the same spring. Listed as $9.39. Seems awful cheap or the wrong price was installed in the program. I think I would check a John/Rude dealer and see if they have the spring and if it's that price. If it is, I'd snatch it up.

EDIT: iboats strore has them listed for $6.74.....but are temp. out of stock. Here's the link.

http://www.iboats.com/mall/partfind...keywords.starter spring/session_id.356842195/
 

dancamp009

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Re: Needed pull starter spring TD-20 1947+- Johnson

Bending the old spring worked like a champ. Unfortunately, one of the tiny retainer springs that hold the three swing brakets broke and need to be replaced now. I'll do that tomarrow. She was having a hard time starting before they broke, maybe flooded or not getting enough gas, can't tell which. . . setting that choke knob in the right spot is anybody's guess. I'm trying turning it all the way down, then backing it off a turn and a half or so. . .then we got the air intake adjusting screw, I turn that out 1 1/2 turns. And then there's that little tiny screw behind the carburator that I also back out 1 1/2 turns. I may have to repost this question in a new post, understandably so, once I get the three springs replaced. . . oh what fun this is. . .
 

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Re: Needed pull starter spring TD-20 1947+- Johnson

The starter pawl springs are part number 43-195 (043195). Run that one by the price list for a shocker.
 

OBJ

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Re: Needed pull starter spring TD-20 1947+- Johnson

$7.01 a piece. Buy a guitar string and make yer own.
 

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Re: Needed pull starter spring TD-20 1947+- Johnson

Watch Ebay. I have just sold my last good TD/TN recoil (6 sold), and all sold for 9.99..
 

dancamp009

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Re: Needed pull starter spring TD-20 1947+- Johnson

thanks Fleet Admiral for the guitar string idea, I'll try that out today. It's amazing I didn't think of that myself. Must be getting senile. . . .
 

dancamp009

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Re: Needed pull starter spring TD-20 1947+- Johnson

Guitar springs worked Great. Now I need a compression tester to test compression. will report back . . results.
 
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