My 16.6ft 1964 Schiada w/1971 Johnny 125 OB Partial Repair/Restore Project (Pics Also

[GlassNoob]

Acquired a glassic, '64 Schiada Flat Bottom, Engine was rebuilt few years back, previous owner dropped lower unit, no literally, he had lower unit off and it fell off a chair he had it propped against, and snapped the solenoid shift rod (pictured below)
I saw the boat run well a few months prior, so I am sure thats the only repair to the motor, (taking it to a merc guy for check in next few weeks, maybe.) The glass looks good, what I thought was a solid transom seems to have a weak rotted spot measuring about a square foot. Instead of popping the cap and all that jazz, I have decided to use Rot Doctor's CPES and epoxy to do the repair without popping the lid, or replacing the whole transom.

I will post more pics to this project tread as I get my bi-weekly pay, to fund this endeavor. And info on classic Schiada would be appreciated, I have devoured the net looking, but I have only seen one other boat like mine pictured anywhere, just sold off san diego craigslist, for 1k+ just the hull.

I basically just want to have a solid fishing vessel for my 5 year old and I, not planning on pushing the OB wide open, no skiing etc. Very slim budget, thats why I am going the rot doctor route, they seem to be very reputable and the fix I am planing on doing only requires removal of rotted spot, treatment of surrounding SOLID transom, and filling with treated board, and laying it up real nice and tight to finish.

Any comments, advice, help, info is welcomed. I have been reading these boards for the past 5 years, and ave learned much from all of the contributors. Thanx before hand.

Also let me add, there are many of you that have done awesome restorations jobs that leave my jaw dropped, amazing !, But with my project I am not interested in the cosmetics as much as I am the durability and functionality, basically I just want a fishing boat that floats, all the other schtuff can come later. =) Plus as I mentioned i am not nor will be in the foreseeable future, very economically endowed lol aka I am Poor =P

Check out the picture slideshow at photobucket for Hi Definition large detailed pics with captions explaining stuff.

1964Schiada Slideshow by Obelisk08 | Photobucket

 

[GlassNoob]

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[GlassNoob]

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[GlassNoob]

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[GlassNoob]

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[Bomber Goober]

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I'd be careful going the rot doctor route, take a look at this.
http://forums.iboats.com/boat-restoration-building-hull-repair/what-behind-my-transom-590919.html

I'd much rather have a new wood transom then take the risk of using that stuff and ending up with that.

 

[GlassNoob]

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I'd be careful going the rot doctor route, take a look at this.
http://forums.iboats.com/boat-restoration-building-hull-repair/what-behind-my-transom-590919.html

I'd much rather have a new wood transom then take the risk of using that stuff and ending up with that.

Wow tank you for the warning. That looks like a terrible application of epoxy, looks like they just poured it in and let it harden.

I am taking a more thorough route, as I am cutting out all the glass from the inside transom, peeling all the rot out and replacing with treated board.

I am pretty sure this is not what this person in the link you provided did, it really looks like they just tried to use the fill-it and poured into top of transom, thru the drillholes mentioned, the easy fast way. It is kind of like the seacast method, except I figure seacast is much better. Once I grind/cutaway the glass over the rotted part I will have more info to make a good decision, honestly I do not have the tools nor money to do a full transom replace, that gets real pricey. I doubt many of you, make as little money as I, replacing the transom is BEST, yes. But I do not need best, just decent. Very low budget here.

I will post pics of it cutaway, and if the rot is worse than I expected I might be stuck with a bad transom that I will rig anyway I can LOL... Seriously poor man project here.

 

[briangcc]

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I understand you being on a budget, however, let me put it in these terms since your purpose for your boat is to take your son out....what is his life worth to you?

A sheet of exterior plywood is what? $40-60? Then seal it with epoxy which you can get at Home Depot for probably under $100. Then top coat with paint so the epoxy doesn't degrade over time - probably another $40 at most. Then some PL construction adhesive to bond the transom to the boat. Get the right tabbing material to use with the epoxy and you're golden. Top coat any exposed epoxy again.

I'm over simplifying all this but if you do this in stages you'll have a much safer boat for you AND your son to enjoy. No worries if you accidently bump the throttle to WOT as the transom will hold with the correct repair.


**Yes I'm a parent and if I was forced between doing this type of repair in stages or going about it as you're proposing, I'd be going the stage route. He's gotta be around to pick out my retirement home afterall!

 

[greenbush future]

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That boat really has nice lines, perhaps not fishing boat lines, but it's really nice. And it does look like the transom has failed at some point, based on the crack. Looks like an easy repair even to just use for fishing, I'll be watching this one for sure.

 

[mwe-maxxowner]

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I think that is a beautiful boat!

 

[Woodonglass]

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Since you say you will have you and your kids in the boat, I would highly recommend that you thoroughly investigate the soundness of the transom and stringers of the boat. Taking drilled core samples of the transom and stringers is the best way of knowing their condition. You have stated that the transom has a rotted spot needing repairs. From your pics it appears the motor is an electric shift that someone has jury rigged it with the forward and back swithces as well as raised the transom and placed a reinforcement plate on the weakened and rotting transom. All of this is not correct and can lead to unsafe conditions on the boat. You really should make certain that she is seaworthy before taking it out on the water.

 

[GlassNoob]

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Thanks for the replies folks, especially the ones full of concern. I for sure do not want to risk the safety of my little man, and it is too early to judge the extent of rot and weakening of the transom.
I cannot wait to start cutting it away. The blog I read, is from a guy was was in a similar situation, I was thinking of following his route, years later his job is still holding quite well, so it is encouraging to broke folks like me.
Basically if it becomes too expensive then I will not pursue it at all, it's not a questions of impatience, just lack of funds, some things just will never happen.

Tell me what you think of this guys procedure: Wood preservation, rot repair, and restoration using epoxy resin on boats, homes and log homes.
Now i know that is a customer testimonial, but I cannot think that all those folks are lying. Seems like he did what I want to do which is cut out the transom from the inside, and go about it that way instead of popping the lid etc.

I just made up my mind to tackle the shift rod problem myself, I got an original repair manual today. Building a motor stand in the mean time. How hard would it be to attempt lifting this motor with 2 people, just enough to put on stand ?

And is there anything critical I need to know about removing this johnny?

Again i appreciate any consideration and time given looking or reading my thread.

I thought the boat was damn attractive, as I have a thing for older fiberglass boats =)

From your pics it appears the motor is an electric shift that someone has jury rigged it with the forward and back swithces as well as raised the transom and placed a reinforcement plate on the weakened and rotting transom.

Yea that is definitely rigged, the electric shift that is. I am not entirely sure why the previous owner did that, and honestly I have no idea how to convert it back, the owner just just mentioned he preferred it like that, and added "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". As for the raised transom, I am pretty sure after looking at pics of the same model it came stock like that, not the plate of course.I could be wrong, as I do not have much experience, just comparing pics of the same boat I have found over the web.

I am going to do this job as right as my money allows, if I feel like there is any doubt on safety after i do repair, you best believe my son will not be inside the boat.

 

[Woodonglass]

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The electric shift Evinrudes and Johnsons Had special pushbutton shifters that, when defective, are very difficult to find replacements. They are no longer made and if you can't find one on Ebay or Craigslist then you have to resort to the method the PO used to make the motors work. The transom is one of the most critical Structural components of any boat. You want to make sure it is 100% structurally sound before putting the boat on the water. The Rot Doctor CPES method of restoring rotting transom wood leaves a lot to be desired IMHO and I would never use it in an attempt to repair a rotten transom or stringer. That's my opinion based on experience, what I've learned from research and what i've learned from hundreds of hours and years of learning from some of the most knowledgeable boat repair people in the world, right here on iBoats.Com!!!!

 

[GlassNoob]

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Ok so been working like a dogg, got a day off, wanted to get started on my motor stand. The original OMC owners manual for this motor specifies the weight at 252lbs. Damn. I am hoping that the stand I build will be strong enough to hold this beast and staying solid. I have looked at many other designs for OB motor stands, but none rated for a 125hp hunk.

So I venture forth, any feedback is welcome, if I was dealing with the 2.5hp Johnny a good dolly (hand cart) would do LOL lets hope that this holds. check out pics.

I started with an old TV stand that is on casters, it is the type tat was used in schools and such for movies or presentations back when everyone had and only cared about tube TV's. My father got it from somewhere about 7 years ago, wanted to throw it away, but I saw how sturdy this thing was and knew that one day it would come to use.

Today was that day. Its base weighs at least 90lbs, and i have examined it well, it is solid as a rock. if you see the angle i will be holding the motor off of, physics does the rest, (i hopefully calculated) by supporting the additional weight thru the angle at which the board the motor will sit on is secured. I am using good grade 2x8 with heavy hardware, including additional braces and brackets that I thought would me over kill but in case I see any give in the future could always reinforce.

Enough talk, lets look at it.

I will sleep on it and take another look in the morning to see If i see additional ways to reinforce the stand. I hung and tugged all my weight pulled and pushed every direction on the board and it would not budge.

In order for to to start repair on the boat (transom) i need this thing off.

more pics in next posts

 

[GlassNoob]

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[GlassNoob]

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[GT1000000]

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Nice looking project you got yourself, gonna be a real nice boat when you are done...

I'd like to come aboard and watch...

Don't mean to burst your bubble and although the stand itself looks sturdy enough, I wouldn't trust angle brackets to support the motor...the last thing you want is the stand to fail on you when you are by yourself, and unless you are pretty darn strong to keep it from falling, it could be a disaster...

You could continue to engineer this stand until you got it sturdy enough to work, but this is one of those cases where you gotta ask yourself, "is it better to redesign the wheel???"

You might want to look at this design...
http://forums.iboats.com/boat-resto...ing-o-b-motor-stand-instructional-266008.html

Been built by a lot of Iboaters with much success...

Have Fun!
GT1M