Hard Starting Force 125

HarleyC

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Its a 1986 engine that is a bear to start, but once running restarts easy time after time. No fuss. Only way I found to start it is to remove the cowling and the sparkplugs, squeeze the fuel line bulb 'til its hard, then choke,and crank the engine over until the carbs burp out some fuel. (it wont spit out any fuel unless I remove the plugs, only runs down the battery like.) After all this it is as nice as can be and purrs sweetly all day. But, all this effort and grime make a poor fisherman late from the dock. I suspect its a case of maintenance as a last choice on my part and I own up to it. But now its late in the year and not near as pleasant outside with the wrenches as twas in June, ouch! So yea, I deserve this too. Now for the fix. It needs a little help getting the gas up from the tank and many possibles arise to mind, mainly fuel pump,carb, and filter. Even lines and bulb could be faulty, and I have never cleaned the carbs in the 6 years I have had this engine. Are there carburetor and fuel pump kits available, if so Where can I get them? Could it be something I did not mention. I have no manual either, which do you think is good. Beyound the starting problem the motor runs and idles nicely. So what do you all think of this little problem that I got now right in the middle of the Striper run? Cheers, and I hope you all have a best holidays possible. Fishboy
 

roscoe

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Re: Hard Starting Force 125

Hmmmm, problem makes little sense to me, your solution makes even less. :) <br /><br />With the sparkplugs removed, and the engine cranking, you should not get any fuel into the cylinders, and the air will not be pumped thru the engine; the air will just move in and out of the sparkplug hole as the piston slides up and down. So I am not sure how this is helping to start your engine. I guess doing this allows the engine to crank faster and fuel pump to run faster.<br /><br /> ""Now for the fix. It needs a little help getting the gas up from the tank ''"<br /><br />The primer bulb should get the fuel up to the engine, fuel pump only pumps it to the carbs.<br />Probably a very good idea to rebuild the fuel pump, diaphram kit available at any Mercury dealer, about $10.<br />All new fuel lines and bulb would be a good idea too, sounds like you may have a small leak that is sucking air. ?<br /><br />Choke is working properly?<br /><br />The Clymer manual is a good choice for Force motors, more model specific with many photos.<br /><br />In the mean time, get a small squirt bottle and put a few ounces of premixed fuel into it.<br />Follow normal starting procedure, but instead of removing your plugs, just squirt some fuel into the carbs, then choke it and try cranking it.<br /><br />Carb kits available from Merc dealer, or maxrules dot com<br /><br />keep us posted, happy fishing.
 

HarleyC

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Re: Hard Starting Force 125

Roscoe, Indeed sense it is not, but the process is effective. First time I did it that way was simply to lube the cylinders after a season off. I thought it would help spin it over. When I prime the carb by squeezing the bulb I don't hear the fuel squirting through, like sqish squish, so may be thats it. So then you asked about the choke- it works fine. This Force is by Chrysler, are you sure the <br />Merc folks will have the repair kits for th pump and carbs? Bravo if so they are nearby!
 

roscoe

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Re: Hard Starting Force 125

Mercury has the parts or will order them in a couple days, as they bought out the old USMarine/Chrysler line.<br /><br />Mercury carb kit # FK10103-2<br />I think you need to order the fuel pump parts separately.<br />Best to provide the dealer with the motor model number and have him match up the part number in his computer.<br /><br />Aftermarket parts, available here on iboats site or elsewhere:<br />fuel pump kit 18-7806 about $10<br />carb kit #7037 about $15
 

HarleyC

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Re: Hard Starting Force 125

Thanks Roscoe, I'll check with the Merc folks. I still wonder about the squeeze bulb. Would this work to confirm if the bulb or line was OK. Take the line off the carb and then squeeze the bulb. If lots of gas squirts out is it then OK. Harley
 

roscoe

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Re: Hard Starting Force 125

Not sure if the gas will push thru those older fuel pumps when the bulb is squeezed. You can test the bulb by removing the fuel line from the "in" side of the fuel pump.<br /><br />There are one way check valves in the bulb assembly, sometimes they just get old and stick.
 

HarleyC

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Re: Hard Starting Force 125

Right, I should have said "fuel pump" instead of carb. I have no clue how the fuel pump works, mechanical? vacuum? no electrical wires visible. IBoats is out of stock right on the fuel pump kit, didn't see the carb kit listed. Have not called the merc guys yet. I will check it out tommorow. Thanks again. Harley
 

roscoe

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Re: Hard Starting Force 125

Fuel pump operates on the compression pressure of the powerhead.<br />As the motor turns over, the powerhead pulses with air pressure, which moves the diaphram in the pump, which pumps the fuel. Works kindof like a cheap aquarium air pump.<br /><br />If the diaphram has holes or the gaskets are leaking, the air pressure will not operate the pump.
 
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