Fuel Tank Full For Winter Lay Up

msd58

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What is the final word on keeping tank full with the methenol fuels for the whole winter? I have a 75 gal tank
 

Boomyal

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Re: Fuel Tank Full For Winter Lay Up

I would say keep it full and plug the gas tank vent. The methanol will suck humidity out of the air, either in the tank or from the outside. Ethanol is wreaking havoc on marine engines due in part to vented tanks (unlike sealed automotive tanks)

Be sure to use a fuel stabilizer.
 

Don S

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Re: Fuel Tank Full For Winter Lay Up

Ethanol is wreaking havoc on marine engines

Never heard of this havoc being wreaked on marine engines before. Where did you hear about this. Haven't heard anything about problems caused by ethanol here at iboats.
 

msd58

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Re: Fuel Tank Full For Winter Lay Up

OK so..........fill it and forget it?

thanks
 

Don S

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Sure fill it and forget it........ Till boating season, then after a while of running, pull your first fuel/water seperator fuel filter and check it for water. If there is none, everytihing is fine. If you see a teaspoon or tablespoon full, time to keep an eye on it.
If the filter is mostly water, time to drain the tank of water. (Keep the gas) and move on.
 

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Re: Fuel Tank Full For Winter Lay Up

dont block the vent. fuel volume is very dependant on temperature. just as a gas tank expands in the sun. a cold tank will collapse in the winter.
 

DHPMARINE

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Re: Fuel Tank Full For Winter Lay Up

Just a thought about drain the water and keep the gas.

And I admit I haven't seen Methonal/ethanol problems,except when the fuel changed,and maybe the tanks should have been drained before this "NEW" fuel was added.These problems were all small HP outboards.

Sorry to ramble.I think it was on MercNET that I read if water forms,the ethenol is mixed with the water.Since the ethenol is enhancing the octane of the gas,if you only drain the water/ethanol out,the remaining fuel is 3 to 4 points DOWN on octane.I take this to mean 87 is now 84 or 83,

That could get interesting.And costly.

DHP
 

Don S

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Re: Fuel Tank Full For Winter Lay Up

Merc not only has their ethanol information on MercNet, they also put it on the consumer site.
Here is a link to it.
Read it all folks ...... not just the parts that interest you the most.

http://www.mercurysmartcraft.com/ethanol2
 

Flukinicehole

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Re: Fuel Tank Full For Winter Lay Up

I pump my tank dry every year now because of the ethanol. I just put it in my truck and start fresh every year. I feel this is the safest way to go I`ve never had any water issues.
 

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Re: Fuel Tank Full For Winter Lay Up

run the engine with the stabilizer in the tank so it gets into the carb.

apply the choke to keep the carb closed off.
 

CGjimmy

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Re: Fuel Tank Full For Winter Lay Up

Don said:
Ethanol is wreaking havoc on marine engines

Never heard of this havoc being wreaked on marine engines before. Where did you hear about this. Haven't heard anything about problems caused by ethanol here at iboats.

Don, I found this forum via Google...nice work. Down here in CT, our ethanol problem is serious. I spent over $800 this past spring rebuilding my carb on a boat that's only worth about $6k. The yard said that's all they were doing...dealing with ethanol problems, eating away gaskets, etc. I've always filled my tank end of season, but I'm considering draining it.

How's my favorite dry city these days?
 

180shabah

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Re: Fuel Tank Full For Winter Lay Up

WOW! an $800 carb rebuild. It sounds like you may have bigger problems in CT than ethanol. Perhaps a few less than reputable mechanics feeding on ethanol paranoia and milking it for every penny they can?
 

tommays

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Re: Fuel Tank Full For Winter Lay Up

I am really not haveing any problems in my boat or yard machiney when its sits for months at a time on Long Island

Just the normal upkeep


tommays
 

ron7000

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Re: Fuel Tank Full For Winter Lay Up

CGjimmy said:
Down here in CT, our ethanol problem is serious. I spent over $800 this past spring rebuilding my carb on a boat that's only worth about $6k. The yard said that's all they were doing...dealing with ethanol problems, eating away gaskets, etc. I've always filled my tank end of season, but I'm considering draining it.

I can sympathize with ethanol related carb problems, in the start of 04 and 05 I had to pull my carb apart at the beginning of each season. Found nice little water droplet rust marks in the bowl each time. I'm pretty sure it's a direct result of ethanol'd gas in the carb bowl, even with stabilizer. Because the bowl is vented, moisture gets pulls in and water settles out. I think what happens in the tank has much less of an effect. Since then, I go through the effort of pulling the carb, draining it, and storing it in my basement for the winter. Had no problems at all this year with just installing it and turning the key thankfully.
Another contamination source is the water separating fuel filter if you have one. It's steel and the inside of the can turns to rust sitting over the winter- when you start the motor on that filter the following year the crap from it gets into the carb. So I purposely leave the old filter on for the winter and wait to put the new one on before starting the motor in the spring.
Draining the tank or filling it probably won't prevent these two problems.
The ethanol topic tends to get blown out of proportion a little, either from web regurgitation or as blame for problems which it most likely isn't the primary cause of. Gaskets being eaten away and carb rebuilds have been happening long before the use of ethanol and for many other reasons, so be sure you know what's causing your problem before chalking it up to the 10% ethanol. where'd you pay $800 for your carb work if you don't mind me asking, and where in CT are you?
 
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