Fly Fishing Startup Costs?

keninaz

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I learned to fly fish (cast at least) from an old gentleman in Germany while serving there years ago with the Army.
When I got back stateside I borrowed some gear from another guy and tried it but noted it was not the same feel. I then found out that I had learned on some very expensive gear in Germany and just did not know it.
I would be interested in learning all over again. What I learned years ago is long gone now.
What should I look for and what I can I expect to lay out dollar wise for a rod and reel to fish for trout here in mountains of AZ.
 

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Don't take this offensively, but you've only Fly Fished once and you're already a Fly Fishing Snob. Not Good. . . . It is more likely that you are just "feeling" a different combination of Rod Action / Weight, Line Weight / even the weight of the fly that you have tied on can produce different action. I learned Fly Fishing from a friend of mines old man on a bamboo rod. I have owned many very expensive and very inexpensive equipment. More $$$ isn't always better. For a beginner, I would recommend the $75 LL Bean Rod & Reel combo. It carries the LL Bean 100% Gaurantee and can be replaced for any reason, no questions asked. I would suggest looking into some inexpensive classes that are often sponsered by local libraries. The experts that sponser them offer a lot of good advice.
 

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I don't think I will need lessons. This month a friend who does fly fish and has all his life is moving up here to my area and he said he would give me all the refresher training I need. If I remember right he told me that he likes wet flies though and I have never used them. He was actually raised in this area and knows it well for fishing. He just sold his business and is moving up here again.
I will look into that outfit. I did not want to spend a small fortune starting out again so that's easy on the wallet.
Thanks~~
 

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For what it's worth. I think the higher - end stuff is a better value. I would buy the best stuff I can afford. I have a Gary Borger 3-4 weight that I purchased way way back - maybe
35, years ago - back when they came with aluminum cases. It
still works, and feels great - very balanced. I might of paid $300.00, or more. I have burned up $70.00, spinning reels in a season or two, but have a $400.00, sustain I've had since they came out. To me it seems that the more I pay for something, the better it feels, the longer it last, and the better care I take of it. I would ask your friend what his advise is - since he is going to be your tudor. Good Luck!
 

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Do your homework, figure out where you will be fishing and for what fish. Once you establish what weight rod you want to use and what is the best length.......then visit a good quality store. I am lucky and live near Orvis and you are able to try out various rods and weights right there in there ponds.

It is very hard to purchase (IMO) on-line or via a catalog unless you know what it feels like and what you want.

Yes, LL Bean is good however you can cut back on frustration doing homework ahead of time. I started in Germany too when I was stationed there and refined it in Missouri, New York and now in VT.
 

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If you're not beating the snot out of your equipment, you're not fishing. . . I replace rodsand reels almost on an anual basis. Easy on the wallet is for me. I beleive it is less about the equipment and more about the person using it.
 

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Wet Flies or Dry Flies? There is a time and place for everything. . . 'that said, you can have a preference of what you prefer but why limit yourself to just wet flies when the fish are feeding at the surface? I personally prefer streamers. . . when that's what the fish are feeding on.
 

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I got into fly fishing with an in-expensive Crystal River set-up.
My friends, who have been fly fishing longer and have more money to spend suggested I get more expensive equipment. "equipment snobs"
I followed their advise on line/backer, flys.
After they tried my set-up, the only complaint they had was the reel. I upgraded that and went and bought the larger salt water version, then upgraded that reel.

They all just scratch their head cause my 'cheap stuff' is still working fine!
I've had both rods for about 4 years.
Cast for cast against them, I hold my own, they have way more experience.
 

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I just went to the LL Bean site and came up with this page but of coure nothing matches the price you indicated. I will just assume they went up. Which would you recomend? http://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/2136?nav=ln

All I will fish for are the small stocked trout here, at least to start.

Don't take this offensively, but you've only Fly Fished once and you're already a Fly Fishing Snob. Not Good. . . . It is more likely that you are just "feeling" a different combination of Rod Action / Weight, Line Weight / even the weight of the fly that you have tied on can produce different action. I learned Fly Fishing from a friend of mines old man on a bamboo rod. I have owned many very expensive and very inexpensive equipment. More $$$ isn't always better. For a beginner, I would recommend the $75 LL Bean Rod & Reel combo. It carries the LL Bean 100% Gaurantee and can be replaced for any reason, no questions asked. I would suggest looking into some inexpensive classes that are often sponsered by local libraries. The experts that sponser them offer a lot of good advice.
 

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I won't get into brands too much because these days pretty much every line has some top notch stuff and some junk. In your situation probably the most bang for the buck will be a combo. Look for a dealer with a robust return policy, that way if it doesn't work out you can recover your hard earned money and try something else. If you do go the combo route look at the fine print. Some come with case, line, backing, leaders, etc. and some don't. I'm not advocating one over the other. Just be sure you factor in the additional cost, which can be significant, if you have to buy those things separately. In terms of what will work for your stated application, I think you'll be happiest with a 5 weight mid-flex rod. Go with a two piece model unless you'll be flying with it a lot or packing it in/out. A 5 weight will swing streamers just fine and will allow you to turn over smaller dries, nymphs and emergers as well, and it will make for a good multi-species rod. If the fly fishing bug infects you still deeper (and it will) you'll find yourself wanting different weight outfits for different applications, but the 5 weight is by far the most versatile, so start there. There are some good reels available for a c note or less. Look for one that doesn't have any plastic parts. You'd be amazed how many do. The line you'll want is weight forward floating with a rocket taper. If the fish are down deep there are ways to get the fly down to them without sink tip line. The inverse is not true. Do yourself a favor and spring for a chest pack. You'll thank me after your first outing. Essential tools are a line/leader straigtener, tippet dispenser, hemostat, nippers, and strike indicators. Other goodies will come in handy, but those are all you really need. Go ahead and pick up several different sizes of tippet since you won't really know which size will work on a given day until you start fishing. One spool of each ranging from size 1-7 should do it (don't worry, it's cheap). Don't skimp on the tippet selection. That's what the fish see, so size really matters. Often makes the difference between fishing and catching. You can buy pre-made leaders or build your own. I usually just tie a 6'-8' section of 6 lb. fluorocarbon to my line and tie my tippet to that. Purists would shudder at that method, but it works for me. Don't know whether it would for you. That's about it. If you want me to point you toward some decent combos I'll be happy to, but I figure you'll get plenty of that kind of input. I'd rather light a candle than curse your darkness.;) Tight lines.
 

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After doing some research on my own on basics it appears that I will be much better off to just defer any purchase until my friend moves up here later this month.
That way I can get some hands on experience again and learn from him. He has been at this some 40 or more years I guess so I guess I will just tap into his knowledge base. He grew up not 20 miles from here and knows the area well.
Thanks for the replies.
 

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I just got an email from him. He walks streams apparently but his favorite way is with a boat, troll with a wooly worm, whatever that is, very slowly. He also likes a peacock lady.
We will have to try it when he gets here and settled into his retirement house.
I just got my Endura C2 trolling motor for my 12' tin boat so I guess I had better go get my battery and box now.
I don't know if it will make any difference as snow and rain are shown in the future but I will be ready if the sun if up! :D
 

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This thread has been very informative to me, i have been thinking of giving fly fishing a spin. I really enjoy bass fishing, but i have watched guys fishing off the bank for bream, tear them up all day.

on a side note about the boat, even in the dead of winter my boat is usaly ready to go at all times. Down here in the deep south you never know when you will get a mild day.
 

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I agree on the boat readiness, but I just bought this fixer upper before Xmas so I have been working on it.
I got it cheap but had to replace seats and such so it's taken time.
But I have seen 55-70? here in Jan-Feb and being retired I can go most any old time.:D
 

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. . . also the size/type of water you will be fishing will drive the length of rod to choose. Small brooks with heavily wooded banks will require a shorter rod vs. "big water" or fishing from a boat where you have plenty of room to back cast behind you and you can have a longer rod.
 
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