Fishing Rod Debate

Cadwelder

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Over the years I've used many different brands of fishing rods and make of materials (fiberglass, carbon fiber, graphite, etc) And to be honest I can't really tell a lot of difference in any of them. I've never broken a fishing rod while fishing (largest bass is 9lbs 2 oz). I also won plenty of tournments over the years too, so my fishing rods are used a lot. I currently fish at least 2 days a week, usually more.

Reels are a different story, but please share your thoughts on the real differences between a $200.00 rod and a $40.00 rod (other than $160.00)
 

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My expensive rod (G Loomis) has friction free guides that can't fray my lines, a reel seat that never loosens unless I loosen it, is feather weight, casts an amazing variety of lure weights and has a balance that never fatigues my wrists. Worth every cent in my view. When finally connected to a good musky failure of any kind is unacceptable.

My less expensive (a good deal more than $40), but still highly rated rods need the guides replaced every few years, either because the liners break and fall out or the binding splits, need the reel seats tightened at least daily, break the tips at the least provocation and seem limited to a narrow range of lure weights. These are my bass and walleye rods and an occasional failure is tolerable.

My cheap rods are attached to Zebco spincast reels and are used exclusively for panfish and exclusively by grandbuddies and great grandbuddies. They are usually a good deal better rods than their price suggests.

Yes, reels are a different story, but one thing is constant; you get what you pay for.
 

dingbat

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I run a custom rod shop so I hear this stuff all the time.

When it comes to fishing rods, one size doesn?t fit all. Every person?s anatomy is different and everyone casting technique is different. A good custom builder can design a rod that takes advantage of your strong points while minimizing your weaknesses. If you can dream it, a custom builder can make it happen.

Having said that, a custom rod only makes sense if you?re using your equipment to its fullest potential. Spending $135 on a high quality blank and another $200 in components and build fees doesn?t make sense for a worm dunker. Spending $350 on a rod does make sense if the rod is built for a specific application with traits not normally found in off the shelf rods.

Locally, using ?largemouth bass? tackle for Trophy Stripers and Red Drum is very popular. I build quite a few #10-17, fast action, med-Hvy, rods for that specific application. A #30 Striper will push that weight tackle to the brink. A stick with cheap guides of an unknown build quality just isn?t going to cut it.
 

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I fish the fresh water lakes of IN for Northern Pike, Walleye, Bass, and Pan fish. I've found the Guide Series Graphite rods at Gander Mountain to be a good bang for the buck. Now...They're not G Loomis nice....my Father in-law has a G Loomis rod for jigging....but I've used my Guide Series IM7 in the same boat with him and the "G" fishing in Canada for Walleye, and I caught just as many fish! A fraction of the price, but good rods IMO. I can't afford the G Loomis stuff.
 

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Couldn't agree move that one size does not fit all......I have 6 different rigs in the boat at all times. Never had a line fray problem or broken guide inserts, I've broke a few tips off, but not from fishing (tail gate, stepping on it etc. not the rods fault)

I've never had a reel seat come loose with any rod......that's intresting.

Now with the lightwieght part and fatigue I can see that one, my wrist has gotten tired after an 8 hour tournament, but still can't see the dollar difference. I'm truley not trying to start an argument, just seeing all the different views of fellow anglers.

Perhaps I've been very lucky over the past 40+ years and not had some of the many problems others have had with cheaper fishing rods....
 

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Biggest fish I ever caught (13lb 8oz largemouth) was with a $15 Zebco rod/reel package, and popcorn as bait. I was about 8yrs old I think. Not sure how I ever got that fish in, but it got my picture in the local papers! Beyond that, I fish with a good friend that tournament fishes, and builds his own rods. I really like his custom stuff, but honestly, I catch just as many fish with my old Abu Garcia graphite/carbon, or my REALLY old Zebco crappie rod (fiberglass). I have a couple of REALLY REALLY old custom bamboo/cork rods, and they are nice to use, but irreplaceable, so they are only decorations on the wall now. I have a couple of other higher end (of the low end) rods, but It has been so long since I have seen or used them, I cant remember the name brands. Some one feel free to donate a G Loomis to me, and I will see if I can catch more fish with it! :D
 

lonnie t

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brands dont mean nothin to me , i just go by weight and length to what i wont
 

bouttime007

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Couldn't agree move that one size does not fit all......I have 6 different rigs in the boat at all times. Never had a line fray problem or broken guide inserts, I've broke a few tips off, but not from fishing (tail gate, stepping on it etc. not the rods fault)

I've never had a reel seat come loose with any rod......that's intresting.

Now with the lightwieght part and fatigue I can see that one, my wrist has gotten tired after an 8 hour tournament, but still can't see the dollar difference. I'm truley not trying to start an argument, just seeing all the different views of fellow anglers.

Perhaps I've been very lucky over the past 40+ years and not had some of the many problems others have had with cheaper fishing rods....

Im with you Cadwelder, Ive never had many problems with low priced rods. (and I fish a ton) Only once Ive had to replace a tip because my old Eagle Claw broke the tip off after 17 years of use, but Id say I got my money out of it 20 fold and I still have it to use today.

Is a Portuguese cork rod handle really that much better than my cheap American cork handle? Ive also never had any line fray (or any other issues) with low cost guides. Ceramic insert guides can be troublesome, but I dont get rods with them.

Maybe the balance thing is a plus, but any rod can be improporly paired with the wrong weight reel too. It just means matching up your gear better to get the right balance and performance. Checking out the rods before you buy them helps a ton too. Its pretty easy to find lower cost gear that fits your intended use and approach, and you can actually find some real gems.

Id be willing to bet most gear failure is due to improper care, rather than being made like junk. The only time I experienced junk is when my stepson and I got a couple Quantum rods. They both broke within a week of purchase. I cant speak for my stepsons, but I KNOW mine wasnt mistreated at all. I am anal about taking care of my gear.

I get what I pay for, and thats years and years and years of use (and fish) out of my stuff without fail. I would love to get a custom made rod in the future though, because it would be pretty sweet to have a rod "just the way I want it" complete with colors and everything. Till then, I'll be extremely comfortable with my aresenal of low buck weapons.
 

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The fish have no idea how much your rod costs or what its made out of. As long as it aint cheap as dirt all that matters is how well you can use it. Ive caught more fish on my 25$ ugly stick than my 150$ browning baitcaster just becaue i can use it better. Go ugly stick!
 

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If a rod is doing all that you want, and you are happy with it, that all that matters. I think allot of it, is what you have become use to.

As stated above, the main difference is weight. In general, the more expensive materials allow for a thinner wall on the blanks. While some would think that the higher cost means higher durability, in fact, some of these materials are more prone to failure when abused. ie more fragile.

A number of years ago, most of my rod arsenal was Ugly Stick Lites. Very durable rods if they fit the type/style fishing you are doing. They worked great for bait fishing and crank baits, but really struggle with hook sets on weightless plastics, for example. Latter versions seem to have had problems with eyelets popping out of guides. Shakespeare will send you all the replacement guides you need. No problem changing a tip, but guides can be PIA. Today when I pick one of those rods up, it feels like a ton of bricks. Didn't back in the day when I used them, though.

Today, most of my rods are St Croixs with a few Shimanos. I have mostly Avids, but also a number of Premiers and a Mojo. ie middle/lower end of the St Croix line. Most if not all were purchased at discount. I have been happy with them. I have noticed on the Mojo, that the reel seat seems to loosen. It was new this season. My son, who also has a number of St Croixs, is "rougher" on his equipment and has managed to break a couple. The Legend Tournament and Avid were replaced with brand new rods from St Croix.

For myself, I don't see going back to discount wally world rods. I'll probably stay with what I have for considerable time to come. Higher cost production rods shave fractions of onces, and would probably try custom before going there. The danger is actually liking more expensive ones, and then upgrading the whole arsenal again. ;)
 

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The fish have no idea how much your rod costs or what its made out of. As long as it aint cheap as dirt all that matters is how well you can use it. Ive caught more fish on my 25$ ugly stick than my 150$ browning baitcaster just becaue i can use it better. Go ugly stick!



Try jigging for Walleye with an Ugly stick.....the rods are so spongy you can't feel the bottom and you can't get a good hook set...other that they're great.
 

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Try jigging for Walleye with an Ugly stick.....the rods are so spongy you can't feel the bottom and you can't get a good hook set...other that they're great.

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I use an ugly stick and last season I switched from braided back to mono for a short time. Between the stretch in the mono and the "spongy" rod I couldn't feel anything while finesse fishing. It's all personal though. With a stiff rod and braided line I have to take it easy on the hooksets or the line snaps like string.

I like the ugly stick with the braided because I find the sponginess compliments the zero stretch of the braid nicely. The balance of that rod however is terrible.
 

bouttime007

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Check out a few Abu Garcia Conolon rods, they may surprise you with how they feel/perform.
 

dingbat

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With a stiff rod and braided line I have to take it easy on the hooksets or the line snaps like string.
Never heard of such a thing. Lots of guys break rods "high sticking" during with their "Jimmy Houston" hook sets, but I've never seen, or heard of, anyone breaking the line on a hook set.

I use a RX8 X-fast action rod (about as stiff as they come) and #10 braid for jigging Stripers. I have never snapped the line on a hook set.
 

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Never heard of such a thing. Lots of guys break rods "high sticking" during with their "Jimmy Houston" hook sets, but I've never seen, or heard of, anyone breaking the line on a hook set.

I use a RX8 X-fast action rod (about as stiff as they come) and #10 braid for jigging Stripers. I have never snapped the line on a hook set.

Last year I was having this problem with some fireline I bought. I think it was a bad batch because I went out today with some power pro line I had no issues at all.
 

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For boat tackle I like a good medium-heavy glass rod and a 4 ought penn reel, for troling I like a 6' glass with a matching penn open face spining reel, for inshore (reds/trout) I like a 6' graphite rod and a matching penn reel. Can ya tell I like penn reels:) To me the graphite rods are a bit more sensitive and better for working lures and I wouldn't want to hook a big grouper or snapper on one. Just my personal preferance.

Art
 

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To me the graphite rods are a bit more sensitive and better for working lures and I wouldn't want to hook a big grouper or snapper on one. Just my personal preferance.
Art

35 & 45 million modulus Graphite, #60 of lifting force. No problem with snapper or grouper.;)
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I've caught more fish on cheap rods than the expensive ones.... I trolled a $200 Calstar and a $40 Penn Power Stick for a couple years and most of the time the Penn got hit. Different lures, port or starboard, shore or channel side of boat, it didn't matter, the cheap Penn usually go hit. For the past year I've been trolling a couple $150 Seekers and my catch rate has fallen... I guess I need to break out the cheap rods again :rolleyes:

I really like some of the "bargain bin" rods I've bought, but I totally agree with dingbat on the components as I've had guides loose the insert or stripped reel seats. I really like a couple cheap ($50) Quantum musky rods I have, but the reel seats were crap. $30 for a couple Fuji reel seats and cork butt grips and the rods were back in business.

On the flip side, I bought a couple really cheap Penn surf rods starting out that were less than optimal, very slow action and really heavy. I replaced them with a couple mid-range Penn's that have great action and are very light. $50 for a rod that doesn't work well or $100 for a rods that work great.

With busting fishing line, if the reel drags are set correctly and the line is breaking, it's crap. I change my line often and only had problems 1 time... Gorilla Braid about 15 years ago, it would fray right at the top guide and bust after 20-30 casts. After loosing several spoons I figured I had better strip it off,,, I was down to my last 5-of-Diamonds :eek:
 

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Nice, are they stiff enough to put good pressure on?

Art
These blanks where designed specifically for vertical jigging tuna. Fishing #30 of drag is no problem if you're man enough to fight a fish with that heavy of a drag. ;)
 
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