Bondo I need help with my Torque Shift

[O.P.]

Bondo or anybody that can help<br /><br />I bought a Torque Shift on E-Bay for one of my inlaws for $630. The next day I went to the local prop shop and they had one in the corner gathering dust. I traded my 21" Ballistic that came with my boat and $100 for it. The shop guy said it was set to shift from 17" to 23". He also said it shifted pretty hard when changing pitch and I thought these were supposed to be pretty smooth shifting. Where is the model or part # on the prop at? How do I tell what cams are in it? I've got to get this one on my boat and performing right before my inlaws prop arrives. I talked and hyped these props so much now I'm in hot water if I can't make these bad boys deliver. Can you E-mail or fax me some setup instructions? If I could call you or you call me to answer a few more questions that would be great. We have a big family function on the lake the weekend of the 13-15 this month so I'm running this down to the wire. <br /><br />Thanks so much<br />Lawrence

 

[garycinn]

Re: Bondo I need help with my Torque Shift

Take the three allen bolts out of the end of the prop, remove the springs and the thing falls apart. The model of the cams is stamped on the cams themselves.<br /><br />Call land and sea and they will give you access to the owner's manual on the web.

 

[O.P.]

Re: Bondo I need help with my Torque Shift

Thanks Gary<br />I'll try that today. Do you know where if anywhere that the model # might be?<br /><br />Thanks <br />Lawrence

 

[garycinn]

Re: Bondo I need help with my Torque Shift

Some of them don't have a model number (earlier production ??). I had to take mine to a prop shop with the springs out and have them measure it (at both extremes) so I could determine what blades were on it.

 

[Wart T]

Re: Bondo I need help with my Torque Shift

Hey OP can you please follow up with results? I've heard bad and good about those props. Never tried one meself.

 

[Bondo]

Re: Bondo I need help with my Torque Shift

Of the 3 I've got,<br />1 has a 726 stamped under the 3-sided washer.......<br />As stated, Cams are letter stamped....<br />Springs are Supposed to be Color Coded..... Having the 3 weights(15lb,30lb,45lb.) Together, I can See the differences.....<br /><br />If I'm not mistaken,<br />L&S builds 2 configurations on several propshaft sizes/splines....<br />1 starts at 11" pitch,+ will shift up to 26"s......<br />With the pitch screws turned In as far as reasonable, you can get the High pitch, Down to about 18"s......<br />The other, starts at 13, or 15"s,+ tops out at 32"s.......... Tooo high for My boats.....<br />I don't know about the Hard Shifting...... <br />I lather the moving parts with Never-Seize during assembley.....<br />Even with the 45lb. springs, it shifted Late, but Smoothly.......<br />I bought the prop pitch gauge awhile back, It's Handy to know the pitch, But doesn't Really mean much........<br />As long as it Rips your Head Off,+ WOT is where you want it,<br />Life just Doesn't get Any Better......<br /><br />Have you searched their website ?<br /><br /><br />If you post an email address, I'll email you....<br />Oh Ya,<br />If you're Stewy, You Paid Way Too Much.................

 

[f_inscreenname]

Re: Bondo I need help with my Torque Shift

“I lather the moving parts with Never-Seize during assembly.....”<br />I tried never seize on my prop shaft one year. Took about three hours to get the prop off two months later. People on this site have stated many times that salt water + anti seize = glue.

 

[Bondo]

Re: Bondo I need help with my Torque Shift

Didn't know that........<br />No salt here..............

 

[Dunaruna]

Re: Bondo I need help with my Torque Shift

I use a copper based anti-sieze, never had a problem but I remove the prop every 6 months to check for fishing line.<br /><br />Aldo

 

[O.P.]

Re: Bondo I need help with my Torque Shift

Thanks for the replys guys. I called Land and Sea and the tech gave me access to the online instruction manual and that answered some more questions. He also stated that they weren't sure when or if they were going to start producing more props. He told me they were doing more in the Dyno business and the props were going on the back burner.<br /><br />I ordered the lock nut and washer along with another set of 30 lb springs. I put it on and ran it a little yesterday, but there was a strong wind all day and the water was way to rough for a good test. It does shoot out of the hole like a bullet at least as good or better that the 17" 3 blade that i had before. I'm up on plane almost instantly. RPMs are around 46-4800 which is a little high for me. It has a W cam set now so I think I need to go up one size to X. I'll try it again today and see where the top end runs at.<br /><br /><br />Thanks everybody <br />Lawrence

 

[Bondo]

Re: Bondo I need help with my Torque Shift

OK,<br />I've got your address......<br />Edit/Delete it before a Spam Harvester finds it.......

 

[Bondo]

Re: Bondo I need help with my Torque Shift

Hi O.P.,<br />The prop has no way of Knowing whether your motor is pushing 150hp, or 210hp.... It Really Shouldn't Matter.........<br />The Boat Will see the difference.... I bet it Really Wakes Up, next year with the added HP of your winter project.........<br />

How can I tell when the prop shifts into the other extreme of it's range?

You may not Feel it.... But, you'll Know it....<br />With mine today(I went testing,+ fishing), I dropped the throttle,+ the motor Jumps to 4800rpms......<br />I was "On Plane" Instantly........ <br />In what seems to be Seconds, the mph came up to 44.5........<br />WOT is at 4950rpms.... I still need to back the screws out a little more.....<br />I want to see 4800rpms, WOT.......<br />

The prop shop said it was a 17-23 pitch prop but I don't see anything like that listed in land and sea's products.

Ayuh,<br />That's got me a little Confused Too.....<br />Maybe the Prop Shop was a little More Confused than I am...???<br />That Sounds more like the #s you'd get from a Mercruiser Shifting Prop.... They have a 6" spread in their shift....<br />

Is this maybe an older one that doesn't shift as extreme because when I manually shift it in my hand it looks like it's shifting a lot. I'm thinking maybe since my motor is weak that its staying in a strain or in a load and the prop isn't fully shifting.

See Above......<br />I'm Not buying this senario........ <br />

How do the different weight springs affect upshift? Would lighter springs allow it to upshift sooner but down shift later? I can see that a heavier spring will downshift sooner, but does it work the same for upshifts?

The Spring Weight More Directly affects the Up-shift points...... 15lb springs Up shift sooner... 45lb springs Up shift Later.....<br />Down shifting, you need to return to Near Idle......Or, Jab the throttle at slower speeds will Usually cause a Down shift....... <br /><br />The "Theory of Operation" is,<br />When the "Throttle is Dropped", the motor is allowed to Spin at it's Peak Torque/ Horsepower RPMs.......<br />As the boat catches up, the prop Shifts up.....<br />You can also Force an Upshift, by Over Trimming a little to catch some Air,+ it'll upshift....<br />Then trim back down for the proper running atitude....<br /><br /><br />I Hope that the prop you bought is for a Different In-law........<br />It Won't fit on the Volvo you mention.....

 

[Bondo]

Re: Bondo I need help with my Torque Shift

Hi Lawrence,<br /><br />

"What do they do different in the two props that Land and Sea lists for Mercruiser ?"<br />

I don't Know........<br />You've got them Both in front of You...........<br />What's Different ???????<br /><br />

" what do I need to do to get to use the rest of the throttle? "

Back Out the 3 set screws, Evenly..........<br />I'd start with 1/4, or 1/2 turns on each screw........<br />Remember... Evenly....... The blades Must be set Evenly, or you'll get a Viberation................<br /><br />

"Would going up in cams bring the RPMs down to where we can use full throttle without the RPMs going out of sight? "<br />

See Above........<br />Use the Set Screws 1st..........<br /><br />

"Going up a letter in cams drops how many RPMs?"

Don't Remember........ Check the listings in the Manual..........<br /><br />

"I received my replacement 30 LB springs. They look maybe 1/8 to 1/4 inch shorter than my old springs. So what would that make my old springs be?"<br />

The differences are in the Diameter of the wire used to make the Springs..........<br />Your old 1s are Just Streched Out...........<br /><br />

"seller had apparently run it on the wrong foot and the foot had chewed up the bottom 1/4 inch of the prop hub."<br />

Exactly Where..????<br />The Leading edge of the hub, at the propshaft is Where the prop Rides.........<br />Damage in this area Could be a Serious Problem........<br /><br />You Might have a Claim with Both the Postal Service,+ the Seller..............<br /><br />Good Luck...........