Boat rammed in Racine, WI

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RACINE COUNTY - County investigators Tuesday released more information about a two-boat collision on Lake Michigan Saturday that sank a 29-foot fishing boat and involved a man's cold-water rescue.

Racine County Water Patrol investigators also said they expect to recommend criminal charges.

The Saturday morning boat collision occurred about 3 miles offshore, just north of the Racine-Kenosha county border in about 60 feet of water. Investigators called the collision a ramming by the larger boat - although that boat's owner-operator told the story a bit differently.

According to water patrol officials: A 29-foot Tiara fishing boat owned by Timothy Powers of Harvard, Ill., was trawling at 2 mph, heading northwest. At about 10:45 a.m. the occupants saw the larger boat heading toward them at an estimated 18-20 mph.

At first the Tiara's occupants thought the larger boat would turn; then they sounded their horn and tried to turn out of the way, officials said. They could not turn fast enough, and the bigger boat, a Predator Sunseeker, struck the Tiara's stern, or rear, and its bow slid up on top of the smaller boat, up to the cockpit.

That boxed in the driver, Powers' 20-year-old son Grant Powers, at the helm with the boat taking on water, officials said. So the elder Powers helped his son climb through the broken windshield, causing numerous cuts to his arms. The son later received three stitches in his right hand and five near his right elbow.

Account questioned

The Predator's owner and driver, Scott Gordon, 55, of Chicago called the incident not a ramming, but a collision and said, "I don't know who struck who." Gordon said he'd had his boat on autopilot on a due north course toward Milwaukee and Summerfest with his family. He said there was some fog on the lake and the Tiara did not appear on his radar, though two other boats in the area did.

Gordon questioned why the Tiara would not have turned away, if the Powers saw him coming.

At impact, he said, "All of a sudden my boat slowed down and the bow went up in the air." He first thought he'd struck a reef.

Then, said Gordon, a commercial real estate broker, "All of a sudden I see guys climbing up on the (left) side and yelling ... ?Our boat is sinking!'" He asked them to come aboard and put out a mayday call.

The Tiara sank within about four minutes, officials said.

Meanwhile, the Tiara's third occupant, Todd Schueneman, 36, had jumped into the water without a life jacket just before impact, officials said. When the Powers boarded his boat, Gordon turned it around to get Schueneman.

Officials said the life ring tossed in the water fell short of Schueneman who was starting to become lethargic in the 54-degree water. So Grant Powers jumped in, swam to him and helped rescue him.

Gordon disputed that Schueneman was starting to succumb to the cold water.

The Powers could not be reached for comment about their plans, if any, for the sunken boat. Gordon said he has a basketball-size hole in the bow of his boat.

A dive by investigators to photograph the sunken boat is planned for sometime this week.



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When you read what the owner of the big boat said, you'll see why this is in this section!!!
 

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Can we say he did not have a watch posted, all was down below drinking and parting.
 
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well there is fault on both sides!The Captain of the larger vessel under autopilot should have had a lookout posted at the helm or at least have him/her some where.To say they were partying and drinking is all but speculation not said in above account.Now the Captain of the smaller boat who if fact saw the larger vessel approaching and had time to think he was gonna turn away,then had time to sound horn??I dont know about any of you fellow Captains but ive been a Captain for over 15 years and even tho i had the right of way there were times where i moved just to avoid what happened here? There are rules and laws on the road as well as the great waterways we use and if you saw a car coming your way would you not move? any way the moral of the story is you can never be to cafeful unlike a car crash where u could just walk away when you crash in a boat you cant walk on water! be safe and be healthy my friends and enjoy the day.
 

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Offshore was just pointing out the captain of the one vesel was under auto pilot and no watch posted doing somthing other than watching what was going on. The smaller boat was trowling and fishing boats do have right of way under rules of the road. May not have been able to make evasive actions needed due to what he was doing.

Was drifting bottom dragging lines one day when a boat going to CIC came blowing through started blowing horn getting engine going taking evasive actions when the captan came from below with drink in hand.
 

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It was pretty foggy that day. By the time the boat that got rammed could see the other boat, I'd bet it was too late for him to try and get out of the way. Plus, around here, the big non-fishing boats tend to play ******* and get real close before they turn. It happened to me 4 times that day, and will happen almost every day of the Salmon-A-Rama going on this week. I won't even start to rant about the sail boaters that play games out there with us fishermen!
 
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what was that important? for him to not take evasive actions? if he was trolling? wasnt he was driving the boat?or was there also no lookout on that boat also? I am not here to raise any ones eyebrow or any thing like that,what i am trying to do is to let every one know that the saftey of you and your guests ride solely on the captains ability to have control of your vessel at ALL times!!! even if it means letting the other boat have the right away even tho you have it.MANY of times i personally have took action to avoid disaters at sea have you ever fished the jersey shore?
 
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no what i was pointing out was both boats needed a look out.The safety of your passangers rest solely on the captain of the vessel be aware always of whats around you
 

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If you're not aware of another slow moving boat until you're literally on top of it, and then think it's a sand bar, you are just plain negligent.

Boat was cruising with nobody paying attention.... That's just plain criminal.
 

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I get what you are saying about both boats need to be aware, but I was out there that day. You really couldn't see more than 100 yards, most of the time it was more like 20 yards. By the time the guy fishing saw the other boat, he wouldn't have had time to even fire up the main motor, much less get out of the way! Also, we have people that buzz by just to rock your boat, the guy fishing probably thought that is what was going on. There is no way that the guy fishing was at fault in any way.
 

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if the visibility was so poor why would he be running so fast in the first place?
 

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if the visibility was so poor why would he be running so fast in the first place?

Well, I guess people with auto pilot think they can still go as fast as they want. I guess he trusted his radar too much!!!
 
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ok if it was that foggy then you should be MORE aware.both boats are at fault no the captians are at fault.I dont know where you guys all fish but in jersey if you rock someones boat on purpose or get that close.......YOU will for sure have a handful of 6oz sinkers thrown at your windshield happens every day here.........what i dont get is some say he was trolling others drifting either way he should of had a closer eye on the surrounding.They other guy should of had a lookout.any way im just speaking my miind about the need for more safety education and if you got the chance you should refresh your own skills.
 

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Ok running fog is bad, If setting in fog you need to ring a bell. Said one boat was trowling which is under way. Still think a bell needs to be rung at given intervals. Was not wise to run at 20 in fog, thinking that a fog horn needed to be sounded, and bell. I don't run fog, did once when lifted was 1/4 mile from where thought without gps, scared me bad so now stay off lake when foggy. As far as my safty I look out for myself as see many boats run through a pack of boats at 3/4 ahead full to get to fishing spot without regaurd to others. Still one day where I operate chances are I will be hit due to someone not reguarding the safty of others.
 
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yes i agree if your running in fog you should be extra safe as in ...horn...lights on...and life jackets close by.I dont do lake fishing im more offshore but if you believe one day your gonna get hit...well i would think about finding another place to fish yeah i know its crowded but one can only try...
 

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As far as lake or offshore fishing, I'd have to consider Lake Michigan as more of the offshore type of thing. I don't buy into the both boats being at fault here. That's like saying that the guy that just got rear-ended at a stop sign is as much at fault as the guy who hit him, he should be more aware! We are just north of the Illinois border, we get lots of Chicago people that must get off on rocking fishing boats. They already think they own the lake. If you powered away every time they looked like they might not see you, they'd probably do it even more. I do agree that more safety education is needed all around, but the people that really need it are the assholes that think they can cruise at 20 in thick fog, not the guy out fishing.
 

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I dont do lake fishing im more offshore but if you believe one day your gonna get hit...well i would think about finding another place to fish yeah i know its crowded but one can only try...

I always fish plenty far enough away from other boaters. Here's the thing, last year we were out about 10-12 miles. Nobody in sight and here comes this boat comming right out to us. The guy came within spitting distance and never slowed down. About 10 min later, guess who came back for a second run. Then for the fisrt day of Salmon-A-Rama, we get out at about 1am, there are 100's of boats out all trying to catch the big one. We set up about 6 miles out, well enough away from most people. It does get crowded in places with packs of boats around the entire area. Well, about 5:30, we get 2 big 40+' boats running a slolom between all the fishing boats. They did a few runs through everybody and moved on. Are we all supposed to power out of their way just in case? I got on the radio to the Coast Guard, but without numbers they couldn't do anything. They were at it the next day too. I now carry a wrist rocket for that type of person!!!

EDIT: We fish in a 22' boat, not big by any means, but not too small either.
 
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yeah i see your point with the [Edit: astros] ......what i meant by lake versus offshore is im a deepsea fisherman when you run 50,60 even 100 miles out you really dont have that problem as you will with a lake! a lake can only be so big! the ocean goes miles upon miles...We own a 17 ft proline center console and we run her 6-10 miles offshore..Its not the size of the boat its the amount of knowledge and trust you have in the captain and the amount of trust the captain has in his vessel......Any way back to the discussion... first thing the larger vessel under auto should of had a lookout no doubt. strike one . He Should of been going slower given the weather conditions...strike two... havent heard if beer was involved? do you? that would be strike three.The guy in the little boat was trolling? drifting? he should of also had a lookout,given the conditions!Was his lights on? if u drive in fog you should do every thing possible to be seen..If he was trolling was he not by the helm? alot of questions few answers.....There is one thing that just dont set right if the bigger vessel saw 2 other boats on radar...whhy didnt he see the 3rd??????
 
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as for the guy who flew by you the first time he would of gotten an earful along with a friendly ******* salute hand gester! the second time well i would have to go by some new sinkers.......
 

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The way I see it is one captain was guilty of criminal negligence and other of stupid pride which prevented him from getting out of the way when he had the wright of way. It is clear that the larger vessel was at fault for this accident. Guess the real lesson is no matter who has the wright of way, when playing chicken with a freight train it is wise to make the first move. On another note I see way to much of this type of behavior from larger vessels, hope they make an example of this *****hat and he gets some real jail time.
 
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