Bit of a problem with my renter... a little help?

bigdirty

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Hey people, I have a tough situation on my hands.. looking for insight, ideas/thoughts? This is gona be a bit of a read, just warning you...

Quick rundown here, I'm currently living i my basement and renting my house (3 bdrm, 2 bath, all appliances, laundry, huge yard, etc) to a girl and her two boys, 6 and 12. She has them about 15 days out of every month, give or take. I've known this girl for years, we actually dated a few times over the years, but are strictly FRIENDS now. I've given her a very good deal on rent, as she was in a bind (previous landlords defaulted on their mortgage, lost the house) and she didn't have a lot of cash to play with on short notice. So i waived the 'first and last' and its basically 'all inclusive' for about 1/2 of what i could potentially rent this place for in my opinion. She also has access to my shop to smoke/hang out (its a non smoking house) and the hot tub as well. Anyway, things worked out fairly well since september of last year when she moved in, but the last few months have been getting steadily worse and worse..

For starters, back in early December her idiot brother roped her into 'watching' his dog while he goes out west for 6-8 months. (I was ripped off by her brother for a boat motor/money a while back, and have no use for the guy to begin with) His dog is a 12 year old chocolate lab /wolf hound cross with next to no training, barks pretty much non stop, and is just a general nuisance. scratches at doors, gets into garbage, does his business wherever he feels like (in the house, on the deck, on my car, driveway, anywhere) just a bad dog overall.. After a week I told her I didn't want that animal here, she comes back with 'landlord tenant act' bs, and says i "can't" tell her she cant have her dog. She buys a muzzle and a crate, puts the dog upstairs when shes not home.. ok, i'll let it be for now..

Last month the hydro bill comes in.. over THREE TIMES what it was. I have a talk with her (I expected it to likely double with her here yes, but this was a bit much I thought..) and she made a few remarks about my oil-electric heater I use in my appt, and the hot tub.. either way, she gives me a bit of cash, so ok... then this month the hydro bill comes in , and its even higher. I'm talking FOUR TIMES what i used to pay. I called to make sure, and rates/delivery have not increased drastically, it is simply the usage. And so the issue comes to a head; I tell her, and she becomes very defensive and points a finger at ME saying "Well I thought you said when I moved in you had these things all figured out?" and "you know the hot tub is probably sucking a lot of power, and the furnace is running a lot because its been so cold!"

Just to be clear, yes, I realize a hot tub is a big consumer, but Ive done the math here folks, and at WORST (its a 110, running aprox 20 hours a day, factoring in peak and off peak rates), its likely costing $60-$70 /month to run. I just can't see it increasing my hydro bill by 300%.. AND she has used it, no word of a lie, almost as much as me. And at this point, if i drain it and shut it down I risk something freezing up or cracking a line or something, and its destroyed. So much for my $500 invested in it...

Just for comparison, before she moved in, my average hydro bill was under $100. after she moved in, and with hot tub running (put it in in late October) average hydro was $250. nov/dec bill was $340, latest (dec/jan) was over $400.

I should also point out that I got laid off beginning of Jan, and had already spent any and all 'savings' I had on my pos car throughout November and December, so I'm a little tight for money at this point...

Now, I tried to point a few things out to her; Countless times I have walked out of my shop, and seen her entrance door WIDE OPEN. (only the screen door shut) We are talking the dead of winter here people, wtf?!?!? Also, sometimes when her kids are here she will cook a meal and offer me a plate.. decent, thank you, but when I go into the kitchen and see the oven (electric) is still on @400F 30-40 mins AFTER she has made dinner, and its during PEAK hydro times, i get a little bothered.. not to mention the old CRT tv she has, that her kids leave ON almost 247, running the dishwasher almost every nite and doing laundry 3 times a week, usually during peak times. (electric water heater, and dryer) To top things off, she actually had the nerve to point at my LED rope light over the hot tub and say "That's always on, it has to be using hydro.." ahem, ya, just for poop and haha, I did the math on THAT one... yup, costs about $0.43 A MONTH to run that 6' string... :facepalm:

The big kicker here, is that during this latest 'talk' we just had, she brought up the fact that she is very bothered that i could 'even think she's taking advantage of me' and 'what does that say for how good of friends we are?' (which is funny, cause its probably half the reason I AM so bothered, as I don't like feeling like a FRIEND who I've helped out is taking me for a ride..) Oh, and she did say she will try to make sure the door gets shut, conserve hydro and all, but 'she's not gona be my little renter b!tc4 and do whatever i say' Those were her exact words. Now, I'm thinking, I'm the landlord, I can say what the rules are.. not the other way around. Its not like I'm that hard to get along with, but i do have to draw a line somewhere.. I guess i just expect a certain amount of respect considering its MY name on the mortgage, and i can only be rubbed the wrong way so much.. I have tried the talking like adults thing, here are the facts, but she just gets her back up, starts pointing fingers at me, and basically acts like a child.

This is really not worth the hassle anymore to me.. what would you folks do?
 

MTboatguy

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Re: Bit of a problem with my renter... a little help?

I have been in your position before, I would boot her butt out, find another renter you have had no involvement with and write a very clear and concise lease agreement.

As I said, I have been in this exact same position and it is never going to turn out well, cut your loss and run, find another renter and get her out!
 

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Re: Bit of a problem with my renter... a little help?

Find a generic lease agreement online, and fill it out--at market value on the rent plus she pays 3/4 of the water bill equivalent.

If she won't sign, tell her to hit the road.

Take the dog on the 17 mile ride and see if it can find its way home. Or, take it to the dog pound 3 cities away.

When things get tough (with you), it's time to get tough with leeches.
 

jimbo_jwc

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Re: Bit of a problem with my renter... a little help?

I think hes talking about their electric bill . Split your bill or separate meters





Find a generic lease agreement online, and fill it out--at market value on the rent plus she pays 3/4 of the water bill equivalent.

If she won't sign, tell her to hit the road.

Take the dog on the 17 mile ride and see if it can find its way home. Or, take it to the dog pound 3 cities away.

When things get tough (with you), it's time to get tough with leeches.
 

minuteman62-64

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Re: Bit of a problem with my renter... a little help?

Thanks for reminding me why I'm so happy to no longer be a landlord :)

I had a rental house for 30+ years - had to do a couple of evictions, also had some excellent tenants. By far the most stressful rental period was the last 4 years when I rented to our son and his family.

Follow the above advice, figure how to get her out and rent to new, well screened tenants who are not friends or relatives.
 

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Re: Bit of a problem with my renter... a little help?

I have rented to several friends over the years and it has usually worked out okay ... But I never got paid what I could have renting to others. That said, and with you being laid off, it probably helps big time having a tenant. It is probably time for a rent increase, and maybe a new, more defined lease, one where eviction proceedings are clearly spelled out. Maybe she will decide to move with the rent increase because of additional expenses you were not counting on. If not, you have the tools to send her packing. Separate friendship from business.
 

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Re: Bit of a problem with my renter... a little help?

I would not take your anger out on the dog. I would start the eviction process. I think you have to give her 30 days notice. Look up the laws as they pertain to your state.
Short of that, I would at least shut down and winterize the hot tub--that you cannot afford to operate at this time. Somehow separate the power bill as someone suggested so that she would be more careful with the usage. Call the owner and tell him to make other arrangements for the animal
 

Silly Seville

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Re: Bit of a problem with my renter... a little help?

Never, ever, do business with your emotions. Get rid of her legally and what ever money it cost you is the price you pay for an education in being a landlord. Good luck!
 

NewfieDan

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Re: Bit of a problem with my renter... a little help?

You as a land lord have the right to refuse pets. We just got rid of our renters, it was spelled out in the lease agreement no pets.

Like most others have said, cut your losses. Start legal eviction process, find new tenants, and fill out detailed agreement with them.

My uncle has a business, refuses to work on family vehicles for the exact same reasons listed. Some one always feels taken advantage of.
 

JASinIL2006

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Re: Bit of a problem with my renter... a little help?

Hard to imagine that anyone with a conscience would take advantage of you in this way after you've done so much to help her. That alone shows that she is not looking at this relationship in the the same way that you are... even putting the best face on this, she has drastically different values than you about her responsibilities as a tenant are.

Given that she has shown indifference (or maybe even complete disregard) for your attempts to get her to understand your needs/requirements as the landlord, I would not predict that this arrangement will get much better. I personally would be doing whatever was necessary to extract myself from this arrangement ASAP, before you start seeing property damage in addition to the other sorts of problems you describe.

It's too bad, you are just being a decent human being and don't really deserve this behavior on her part.

Good luck!
 

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Re: Bit of a problem with my renter... a little help?

She is preying on your feelings dude whether you think you do not have any or not, boot them out now before we see you on one of those courtroom justice shows.
 

gm280

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Re: Bit of a problem with my renter... a little help?

First thing you have to do is check what the local laws specify about such rental agreements. You can't just throw her out. She will own the place if you do that. You have to go by the law or things can get very bad and costly for you quickly. Follow the law and remove her and move on. And IF you decide to take on another tenet, go by the law again and write up an all inclusive rental contract to be signed before the next renter takes place or moves in. Contrary to what seems right, she does have the law on her side to an extent. So before doing anything against those rental laws, know what her and your legal rights are in this situation. You may be amazed to see she has way more rights then you would think... JMHO!
 

britisher

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Re: Bit of a problem with my renter... a little help?

You need to get legal advice period.
You don't appear to have any written rental contract with the woman and so an Attorney will advise you what you can and cannot do in the absence of one.
If you do have a written contract, she has to abide by the terms (and you). It should make it clear on whether pets are allowed, who may visit/stay, utilities usage, etc.
By all means rent to friends, but still treat it as a business contract.
Ignore her 'emotional blackmailing' first and foremost. IMHO she is taking you for a big ride.
 

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Re: Bit of a problem with my renter... a little help?

As they say.."No good deed goes unpunished"

I used to rent a home to my boss (with the intent of him doing a lease to own), after 5 years he could never get his carp together to make it happen...excuse after excuse! Sounds like you thought you were doing her a favor and she just sees you as her landlord. Absent of a lease to spell out the do's and don'ts of your lease, you're regulated by the applicable laws in regards to termination of the her occupancy. Here in Colorado eviction is a legal proceeding that only requires proper notice being served and then 3 days for them to vacate, if they don't volunteer to vacate, then you can have a local sheriff's deputy oversee the physical eviction...of which if the tenants belongings are not curb-sided by the end of the day, you have to start all over.

I hope just getting a lease that clearly spells out the terms and conditions isn't enough to encourage her to vacate, then at least you have some form of reference for eviction.

I agree with others, doing business with friends will end both aspects (friendship and business relationship).

Good Luck!

~Brett
 

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Re: Bit of a problem with my renter... a little help?

I think what you have to keep in mind is that from what you say this girl is in survival mode, she will do whatever she can to survive and keep a roof over her and her kids heads. I think I would do the following. Speak with her about the good deal that she is getting but how she has drasticailly increased the hydro bill also tell her that the dog is a nusense and once it goes back to the brother no more pets allowed.
 

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Re: Bit of a problem with my renter... a little help?

First thing you have to do is check what the local laws specify about such rental agreements. You can't just throw her out. She will own the place if you do that. You have to go by the law or things can get very bad and costly for you quickly. Follow the law and remove her and move on. And IF you decide to take on another tenet, go by the law again and write up an all inclusive rental contract to be signed before the next renter takes place or moves in. Contrary to what seems right, she does have the law on her side to an extent. So before doing anything against those rental laws, know what her and your legal rights are in this situation. You may be amazed to see she has way more rights then you would think... JMHO!
As a landlord myself, I agree with everything here.

My current tenant is the worst one I have ever had. Always late with rent. I have now told them if it is ever late again they will be served with a 3 day pay or quit notice. So far, so good for the last 2 months. My problem is I let them get away with it in the beginning. If you are going to be a good landlord, you have to be an A hole apparently.
 
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britisher

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Re: Bit of a problem with my renter... a little help?

As a landlord myself, I agree with everything here.

My current tenant is the worst one I have ever had. Always late with rent. I have now told them if it is ever late again they will be served with a 3 day pay or quit notice. So far, so good for the last 2 months. My problem is I let them get away with it in the beginning. If you are going to be a good landlord, you have to be an A hole apparently.

It's not about being a Good landlord or even a bad landlord, it's about being a fair landlord. That comes with having a fair and legal contract and both parties sticking to it. The problem you have about the late rent payment is of your own making and you have acknowledged that. You tried to be good give them an inch and they took a mile. Your contract should spell out when payment is due, and when it is considered late and what the penalties and further cation are. If the payment after say 3 days and a notice to quit becomes issuable, then that is what should happen, no ifs or buts. That action covers you and them. But at the same time, you would attempt to find a fair resolution. If you can't then the contractual actions you have taken protects you and your investment.
 

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Re: Bit of a problem with my renter... a little help?

Another real good idea if you take on any other tenets. You and the tenet needs to walk through every room in the rental property and take a video camera and record everything. Take a video of how everything looks with the tenet with you and open every door, closet and anything to do with showing the condition of the place before hand. Even turn on all facets and show they don't leak or have any issues. The more video you can take with the tenet in them, the better. Turn on the stove and oven and washing machine and dryer to prove they all work properly. It will be your proof that you offered your place with the tenet there to prove the real condition. Because I know how such renters can trash a place and claim it was like that when they moved in. Seen it too many time... Holes in the wall are so common and it will be your word against theirs if you have no proof. Your in-depth video/audio with the tenet seeing it all IS your proof of condition. It is sad you have to do that these days, but a lot of low income folks that habitually miss monthly payments will trash the place when they see the hand writing on the wall that they are going to be evicted...
 

bigdirty

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Re: Bit of a problem with my renter... a little help?

Thanks for all the response so far guys, i do have a feeling I will have to speak to my lawyer soon if things dont get resolved.. As of today, I haven't seen/talked to her in 2 days, shes avoiding coming in to my shop when I'm here and for the moment i'm ok with that... this here;

I think what you have to keep in mind is that from what you say this girl is in survival mode, she will do whatever she can to survive and keep a roof over her and her kids heads. I think I would do the following. Speak with her about the good deal that she is getting but how she has drasticailly increased the hydro bill also tell her that the dog is a nusense and once it goes back to the brother no more pets allowed.

Have to say I agree she is definitely in that mode, although i have a harder and harder time having sympathy for her 'plight' as I now see/understand first hand how much she.. ahem "SMOKES" (not just cigarettes, the other stuff.) and I'm aware of the cost of that 'past time' shall we say, so I'm sure she will resist ANY increase in rent, as it would definitely eat into that fund.. I've tried the talk about 'the good deal' she has here, and I know she is fully aware of it, which like I said really burns me.. and explained that her w/kids here has drastically increased the hydro, a lot more than I anticipated, to which she basically shrugs and said "you said you had things figured out..." And has the nerve to get UPSET with me that I took that comment "the way that I did".. um, how else does someone in this situation take that?

Yes, she is defiantly 'being a woman' and trying to play on my 'feelings' or, make me feel like the bad guy. Questioning how good our 'friendship really is' and such.. right, and now we see how 'adult' people can be as soon as money becomes an issue, or a sticking point.. And it's not all about the money part but more the way she has reacted to the whole thing that bothers me now, But the more I think about it the more I do feel taken, not respected, and at a loss... not a great place to be.. :s

Anyway, it was all a verbal 'agreement' when she moved here, and there is NO paperwork or 'lease agreement' at this time. Which I'm hoping may work to my benefit, if lawyers need to get involved. My name alone is on the house, all the bills, and i have a separate entrance to my apt, which has a full washroom and kitchen so 'common law' will hopefully not be another issue she could try to hit me with.. And even if she tried that scam, it hasn't been a full 6 months she has lived here yet, so i should be good.. although it's close, so I need to get things worked out in the next few weeks.. I'm getting some hours at work, and unemployment has kicked in so i can survive financially, even without her rent.. and it would be a lot less stress to deal with too..
 

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Re: Bit of a problem with my renter... a little help?

A verbal agreement will not work in your favor. Not in my State anyway. Hopefully the Judge won't make YOU move out.
 
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