Bayliner 2252 exposed to fire and intense heat. Is it worth restoring?

[DeepBlue2010]

Engine is 5.7 & Alpha drive; condition = unknown. The hull wasn't exposed to the fire as much as the cap. What happens to the fiberglass when exposed to this much high heat, does it compermise the whole structure or only the layers that were exposed. I heard so many contradicting opinion about this and want to run it by the experts here. Thanks

 

[oops!]

Re: Bayliner 2252 exposed to fire and intense heat. Is it worth restoring?

what a drag.....marina fire.

clean the boat.....get all the black soot off.

look for any place the gellcoat has bubbled.... these areas need to be re glassed.....the resin has cooked and become brittle...
resin will burn.....but the glass wont....fiberglass reinforced plastic needs the two (the glass and the resin) to be strong. if one is weak....

 

[DeepBlue2010]

Re: Bayliner 2252 exposed to fire and intense heat. Is it worth restoring?

Hi Oops, the boat is not mine (yet) I am still thinking about as a resto project. The point you mentioned cooked/brittle resin is what worry me the most. I am not sure if I grind the surface will I ever be able to reach a structurally sound layer that I can build up on or this cap is just gone? If the resin is ALL cooked, how do you fix that?


I am currently restoring the same boat (not a hard top though). My engine is 4.3LX and this one is 5.7. I am thinking, if it can’t be restored, I can swap engines and get a little more power. How much do you think a boat in this condition is worth?

 

[oops!]

Re: Bayliner 2252 exposed to fire and intense heat. Is it worth restoring?

that fire damage does not look that bad....

i have repaired boats worse that that due to fire.

a company i sub contract for, buys insurance write off boats....sunk....salt sunk....dragged down the road off the trialier....tree fallen on em... and hit rocks at 50 mph so hard thier is a hole in the hull so big you can crawl thru it.
they just hand me the entire boat and say fix it !

the most they would pay for that fire boat would be 800 to 1k.

there will be a "hot" side (nearest the fire) and a cold side. the cold side will just need cleaning.

the hot side.....still has shape...so it doesnt look too bad....if the gell is bubbled....the area around it needs to beground away to the raw glass....then built back up with csm and 1708....

if you see raw white glass with no resin...(resin is all cooked)..you will have to make a shape over the area then glass to the shape...then remove it and glass the back side and fair it.

there is no way to tell how bad it is untill the boat is cleaned and the gellcoat is inspected. however its a glass boat. everything can be fixed.

due to the shape of the hull still being there.....i would expect that the motor and drive are pristine, if not just a little black. so if you can get the boat for under 1k....you score !

with all insurance boats.......it takes a long time for them to go thru the process......this means that if you are in a cold area that can freeze, make sure the motor was properly winterized or drained...(the insurance companies will tell you wither remedation has been done) If not, the whole boat is worth nothing.

 

[Yacht Dr.]

Re: Bayliner 2252 exposed to fire and intense heat. Is it worth restoring?

What happens to the fiberglass when exposed to this much high heat, does it compermise the whole structure or only the layers that were exposed. I heard so many contradicting opinion about this and want to run it by the experts here. Thanks View attachment 131990View attachment 131991

Do Not buy a fire boat .. Yes the fire can potentially 'cook' the Insides of the lams ..

look for any place the gellcoat has bubbled.... these areas need to be re glassed.....the resin has cooked and become brittle...
resin will burn.....but the glass wont....fiberglass reinforced plastic needs the two (the glass and the resin) to be strong. if one is weak....

The glass Will burn out .. You could have a boat that has 2' of burnt glass 'inside' and away from the fire damage.

I have seen a boat burn into the water when it was on fire .. Fire OUT .. but the Glass still burned in the lams !! Sunk it did LOL .. even with foam retardant on the boat .. it still Sunk.

There is No way to evaluate the damage of a 'burn' boat till you grind ( or have it X-rayd ).

I would never buy a boat that was 'burned' ..

YD.

 

[ondarvr]

Re: Bayliner 2252 exposed to fire and intense heat. Is it worth restoring?

Like oops said, the glass does not burn at these temperatures, we do testing to evaluate the glass to resin ratio by burning the laminate, it leaves only the glass, so the before and after weights are what is used.

The resin will start to be affected at about 170F, at this point it will soften slightly, but will become solid again and be fine, the shape may (can) change slightly though. The exact temperature will be different for each resin, some a good bit higher, some just a little lower.

As it becomes hotter (200+) the resin will start to break down, at this point it will be much weaker when it cools. Again, this depends on the resin, VE can tolerate much higher temps than a standard resin, but it will vary even within types of resin.

Without looking at the laminate first hand it will be difficult to tell how bad it is. A long semi hot fire will do much more damage than a short very hot fire, in a short fire there just isn?t enough time for the heat to migrate through the laminate.