not shiny clean i used 800 grits sand paper and got the black off them , i think i was sold j8 champion yes i gapped them at 030 , it didn't have spark when I got it and after getting to the coils I saw that they where bad , i also checked the points gap at 020 , when i get back home i will recheck it all again , seems like it has to be a minor problem as simple as the ignition is , the wires have a wire core i checked for continuity between the coil and the boot and it checked out.