Lipp, are you fighting wild fires?

LippCJ7

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Re: Lipp, are you fighting wild fires?

3 days in a row, got demobed last night and put on standby today, I have class tomorrow and back to work at the SO Sunday so this week I got Friday off and that's it!

I can still get activated at any time but they want our team to get some down time, class tomorrow is optional but its a pretty important upgrade from Firefighter II to Firefighter I so I am going provided we don't get activated tomorrow.

Tuesday when the Black Forest fire blew up we knew we were going to get activated, went to work as normal 1100 hrs, in briefing SORT was activated for an inmate cell extraction in my pod so we went into the jail with a very quick briefing and did the extraction, as the SORT team was escorting the inmate out I got the activation page(yeah we still use pagers LOL) we were dispatched to a small fire in our county rather then the Big fire but someone has to hit the small fires, anyway we killed that one by about 1800 and ran to another one that took us about 3 hours to find in the mountains but it was dark and it would take us a couple hours to hike in during daylight so we decided to wait until morning, I got home at midnight.

Day 2 Wednesday, we got activated at 0900 and went to the Black Forest fire, the northern flank was very active and running within a couple miles of our county line as well as our neighbors that we help out a lot so we "overlooked" the county line and went direct line attack, the smoke plume was moving over us and the winds kept the smoke low so we had no air support, we made several attempts to hold the fire but we lost it, and many homes, they had cut a two lane road into a 6 lane wide cut and the fire didn't even blink, it blew right over the break and we were right in the middle of it in our trucks, smoke was so thick we were tail lighting, you couldn't see the truck in front of you, so we pulled out and jumped on a spot fire back in our county, that fire never had a chance 6 brush trucks 2 engines and a helicopter, probably the most "Real" day I have ever been involved in, fire brands reigning down on us inside the trucks.

Day 3 Thursday Feds take complete control, we assembled our task force at a remote fire station near the county line, 50 man strong so much equipment I lost track, it was impressive, we went out to scout and talked to our neighboring counties strike force, they are not as set up as we are they fight fires using road graders and bull dozers which is old school but in all reality its like a worst case scenario and it does work pretty effectively, right now the fire is in the trees and that can be impossible to fight unless you are prepared to remove the trees, the grass will not carry the fire with much heat and there isn't much ladder fuels to speak of, this is forest area but those that live in this area do very well to keep ladder fuels to a minimum via livestock or other means but once the fire is in the trees its a crap shoot, plus as you move north towards our county the trees are more patchy and there are more meadows then trees and we can kill the fire in the meadows, so most of the day we waited for the fire but instead the fire ran south and west, which was right into the hands of the air attack, no smoke and winds in the right direction to make aerial attack work, again the amount of equipment was impressive, several C-130 MAFS a DC-10 Super Tanker and at last count 10 type 1 and 2 Helo's, only problem was that we were on the other side of the fire and couldn't watch the show.

Last night at 1900 we were demobed and today we are on standby in case the fire decides to run north and north west again, no telling what it will do were just waiting while the Feds decide which way to go, we were told to stay close though if the fire does make a run north or north west we will be activated and mobilized quickly, so today I am recovering and spending time with my wife, A/C is on full blast and I have taken three showers since I got home last night about 2000 hrs, its amazing how hard it is to get the smell off of you and the eye buggers suck.

Only thing I hate is this is the first time I have been involved in a direct attack in the urban interface and our failed efforts lost peoples homes, that freaking bites, I can't get it out of my head, its not overbearing, I know those homes were gone regardless of our efforts but I can't stop thinking about what we could have done to be more effective.

On the other side of the coin, I couldn't pay for anything this week in my Nomex, I went to get water, "take whatever you need, your money is no good here", went to get breakfast or dinner for my team "make a list of what you want, whatever you want, anytime you want it, and let us know where you want us to deliver it, and don't even try to pay for it" I heard it over and over again, People are amazing.

I'm done, Thanks for listening, wish I had more pics but I need more hands to carry a camera, I have been carrying a Rhino and a Pulasky the last couple days, and I don't think were even close to being done.
 

avenger79

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Re: Lipp, are you fighting wild fires?

Lipp, while you may feel your efforts are not enough, remember you're doing so much more than most could or would. every bit you do helps someone. you may not save the house in front but maybe the one behind it gets spared through your efforts..

take care and be careful

my son sent us some pics from the fires, he lives in Colo Springs
 

rbh

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Re: Lipp, are you fighting wild fires?

YIKES dude!
Over the years I was involved in a few forest fires, but not on the ground teams per say. just SAR
(Did ground teams on the prairies trying to put out grass fires, not fun)
Takes a heck of a long time to get that smoke smell out of your clothes and nose (you will be blowing black booggers for a week)

Those urban interface fires have been a big issue around here, check out these 3 fires, Kelowna BC, Salmon Arm BC and Barrier BC.


Watch the wind changes and take care out there.

Rob
 

Brent S

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Re: Lipp, are you fighting wild fires?

You are all in my prayers. Stay as safe as you can, safety third!

Aside from that, is there anything we who are not involved could do to help?

again, take care and be safe, BRENT
 

LippCJ7

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My first day off since Sunday, I decided I was going to ride my Harley which has been badly ignored the past couple weeks, wife and I rode down towards the fire area, only about 15 miles south of where I live, and would you believe we had to turn around due to rain, turns out a nice thundestorm developed just west of the burn area, and dumped 1/4" of rain on the entire burn area, after that air ops were kicked in to high gear again, this fire just got kicked in the junk, another storm is moving in now, RH is through the roof somewhere in the 70-85% area, call it what you want Mother Nature is a cold hearted female dog, but knows when we have had enough.

Today my pager went off but it wasn't an activation only to tell me the class tomorrow was cancelled, well that bites, or I could take my boat out...

Thank you Brent, I appreciate that.
 

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Good job, Lipp. Was thinking of you and all the FFers there. My cousin had to evacuate ... He lives North of Co Springs. He sent pics of the fire from his bedroom window before they last. Last I heard from him, his house is still standing ... Yeah.
 

LippCJ7

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Well they hit 45% containment earlier today, more rain hit the area today as well so I figure containment will go way up thanks to Mother Nature, I don't have any personal pics to share since we were butt holes and elbows but here are a few I stole off the web,
SO.jpg
This is kinda sad, a little town center I had grown fond of rode through this area a million times, all gone now
Fire.jpg
Fire2.jpg
DC10.2.jpg
Yeah, that's a freaking DC-10!!
Hoser.jpg
My buddy is a crew member on this plane and this is what they did to some friends of ours..
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152871569895394&set=vb.773050393&type=2&theater

Rule number 36 wildland firefighting, Roll up all vehicle windows....
 

LippCJ7

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Oh yeah I forgot, turns out the area where we retreated from nuked pretty bad, but, we saved the house we were working on and they only lost two houses in the whole area which is sad but much better then the hundred or so I was expecting.
 

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Re: Lipp, are you fighting wild fires?

One of the things they where doing here was setting up those mid size kids swimming pools if there was no lake or creek right next door and using briggs and stratton pumps to feed sprinklers on the roofs of buildings.
Saved a lot of homes.
 

LippCJ7

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Yeah that's a good idea, so good we do it too, sprinklers are a great way to slow and sometimes stop a fire that is not in the trees. We also use sprinklers on areas where the ground is too hot to go in, we will set up a perimeter of sprinklers on a pump and help the area cool down more quickly so that we can get in and complete mop up operations. Its really messy but sometimes when areas are nuked the earth can hold a huge amount of heat, enough to melt your boots even, pretty incredible stuff.
 

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Re: Lipp, are you fighting wild fires?

Correct me if I am wrong but Colorado has a major bark beetle infestation problem and they haven't been as diligent as other states in thinning out the trees to keep these fires from spreading so fast. I know in Lake Tahoe, Ca after the Angora fire, there was a major effort to thinning the forest so these fires wouldn't jump tree to tree so easily.
 

LippCJ7

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Re: Lipp, are you fighting wild fires?

Correct me if I am wrong but Colorado has a major bark beetle infestation problem and they haven't been as diligent as other states in thinning out the trees to keep these fires from spreading so fast. I know in Lake Tahoe, Ca after the Angora fire, there was a major effort to thinning the forest so these fires wouldn't jump tree to tree so easily.

You are absolutely correct, however the Pine beetle hasn't been as big a problem in the lower elevations as it has in the mountains, it was probably a minimal factor in the Black Forest Fire, the biggest factor in this fire in my opinion will be the drought, things are so dry and fuel moisture content is lower then it was last year, it takes a long time for trees to get "wet" and despite the wetter spring this year it simply isn't enough.
 
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