Terry Schiavo

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The majority of the population will pass on the same way as Terri!!!! That's Life!!!!!<br />
Dear God, I hope not. It hasn't been that way.<br /><br />The way things are going, we'll be "extinguished" before we can get to SS collection age.
 

kenimpzoom

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Some of yall are expecting perfection from these decisions. The judges have to make their best guess, thats all it is.<br /><br />I dont think america is all about death. That is 100% "right to life" propaganda BS. If we were all about death, why is health care skyrocketing and drugs are big money?<br /><br />I seem to hear too often that the USA is in a tailspin. I say, yall watch way too much CNN.<br /><br />Ken
 

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There are really two questions here. Firstly, is death the right outcome for her (given her tragic situation)? Secondly, if it is - what method should be used to bring that about?<br /><br />If it is the right thing to do, to end the life of a brain dead person - then why use such an inhumane and drawn out method - like starvation? This is nuts. If death is the objective, then why not use a more humane method - like a lethal injection - as you do to murderers? Why does she get worse treatment than a first degree murderer?<br /><br />The doctors might say that she can't feel pain - but why take the risk? It's a very big risk - because starving to death is a horrible way to go.
 

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Haven't read this whole thread, but I think if she's gone enough to not know she is the way she is, why not let her be? It's not like she's in pain. You never know what they might be able to do for her in just a couple of years. Certainly not possible if she's dead. You won't win the lottery if you never play... ;)
 

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Politics asside here...<br />There is GOOD and EVIL in this equation.<br />GOOD=err on the side of life<br />EVIL=err on the side of death.<br /><br />The fact that her death warrant has been signed by the courts, does not spare the judges from judgement.
 

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Originally posted by LubeDude:<br /> The Deathacrats will have there way, ...
IT would be a great day if the Republicans would SHUT UP!!! and quit trying to blame someone else for all the bad in todays society. I don't see Republican or Democrat in mos tof these posts. But throwing the partisan slur is a weak defense to one's point of view.<br />We have read about putting your wishes in writing, but Terry's condition started many years ago. Before most people realized the need for such horrific legal documents. And I don't believe for one second that her husband has any motive but himself. It is so easy to say she wanted me to pull the plug, and then be done with an unpleasant situation. As one other post stated, there's money at stake here and if there is, if there is any left, guess who would get it? You guessed it, the guy who says whe doesn't want to be sustained by artificial life. But here feeding tube is not artificial. She can not pre-digest her own food, so she is fed a slurry. Should we withhold formula from a newborn because the infant can't pre-digest it's food? By th eway pre-digestion in this case is chewing. The only difference between Terry and an infant in this scenario is the infant can swallow. If terry was provided a bottle fed meal cousl she swallow? I don't know, but I don't think we the masses will ever know anything that the two sides don't want us to know. Otherwise, Mr Schiavo would probably have some significant trouble in his community.<br />I would never want to live as terry is living, but we are supposed to hold life sacred. Withholding an otherwise self-sustaining living creature's nourishment is nothing short of murder. Where is the sacrement in that? But for those of us who believe, we must have faith in 12footer's comment, the judge will be judged, and so too will Mr Schiavo. And I don't think God will judge them favorably. But may God have mercy on Terry.
 

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There is no hope for this woman because her brain has atrophied away. A large part of her skull contains fluid where brain tissue used to be. That missing part is what controls cognitive thought awareness, etc.<br /><br />She is here, but she is not with us. <br /><br />At this point I am angered at her mother and father for being in such denial about facts they knew for years. To continue to tell people that she can recover is 100% a lie. To make matters worse, they are ruining her husbands life and wasting our tax dollars.<br /><br />These people should have charges brought against them for fraud.<br /><br />I am sick of them.
 

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I think the issue should privacy, dignity, with a good dose of comon sense.I,ve heard people say her husband wants her dead, so he can marry his girlfreind. Does her husband deserve that, after making a heart wrenching decision to remove life support. This morning I heard they have a new medical opinion...from a doctor who has never seen her. This should NOT be a political issue.A decision has been made, its been through the courts, and what you , me, or anyone thinks is and should be irrelevant.<br /><br /> Jim
 

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Sadly, you are correct, Kiwi... 100%, Grade A, Nuts... :( <br /><br />Our leaders in the US of A, in their infinite wisdom
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, have deemed lethal injection or "assisted suicide" illegal...<br /><br />Example... Dr. Jack Kevorkian is currently doing time in prison for second degree murder for giving Thomas Youk, who suffered from Lou Gehrig's disease, a lethal injection..<br /><br />Personally, I feel the Schiavo case is none of anyone but the Schindlers and Mr. Schiavos business... My take is, the first judge that heard the case way back when, should have ordered Mike Schiavo and Mr. and Mrs. Schindler to be locked in a 10'x10' room and not let out until they find common ground on their own...<br /><br />Now the government will get involved, after the fact... Man alive! Neo-conservative control freaks and pink-o liberal weenies all fighing in congressional hearings to propose new laws to "fix" this kind of thing (and we all know that the government has never once actually fixed a damn thing)... All done in a 100% knee-jerk reaction... <br /><br />I wonder what kind of "little things" the warshingtion boys will try to sneak in under the radar when the try to pass legislation?....<br /><br />oh boy.. We're all ****ed now...
 

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Originally posted by Drowned Rat:<br />
Honoring Terri's wishes is the most compasionate thing we as a society can do.
How do we know they are her wishes? We don't know 100% except for what her husband has told us, which I believe could be wrong. Why have nurses years ago said they heard Michael say when will this bit*& die? Why have nurses said they marked good progress in their reports, but the next day the charts were gone? Why is this man so eager to kill this lady?
 

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thgis poor lady has had about the best there has been to offer in threapy and rehabilative medicine in the past 15 years. she is alive but not living. has no medical hope of changing. I feel badly for both sides of the issue. but I tend to side with pulling the tube based on taking care of an alzheimers grandfather and a mesothilioma father. when there is no longer any medical hope of any recovery and technology can keep them technically alive what do you do? I cant belive the gubberment done stuck there little pig snouts in the trough so some could get some media exposure.how many posters on this board would chose life over death if in terri's bed?<br />me I would have wished the tube pulled 14 1/2 years ago.<br /> thats the whole key. how long to you keep some one alive that is not living? I dont have the answer. all I can give thanks for is I am not the judge that has to deal with this one.
 

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Originally posted by David L. Moore:<br />
Originally posted by LubeDude:<br /> The Deathacrats will have there way, ...
IT would be a great day if the Republicans would SHUT UP!!! and quit trying to blame someone else for all the bad in todays society. I don't see Republican or Democrat in mos tof these posts. But throwing the partisan slur is a weak defense to one's point of view.<br />We have read about putting your wishes in writing, but Terry's condition started many years ago. Before most people realized the need for such horrific legal documents. And I don't believe for one second that her husband has any motive but himself. It is so easy to say she wanted me to pull the plug, and then be done with an unpleasant situation. As one other post stated, there's money at stake here and if there is, if there is any left, guess who would get it? You guessed it, the guy who says whe doesn't want to be sustained by artificial life. But here feeding tube is not artificial. She can not pre-digest her own food, so she is fed a slurry. Should we withhold formula from a newborn because the infant can't pre-digest it's food? By th eway pre-digestion in this case is chewing. The only difference between Terry and an infant in this scenario is the infant can swallow. If terry was provided a bottle fed meal cousl she swallow? I don't know, but I don't think we the masses will ever know anything that the two sides don't want us to know. Otherwise, Mr Schiavo would probably have some significant trouble in his community.<br />I would never want to live as terry is living, but we are supposed to hold life sacred. Withholding an otherwise self-sustaining living creature's nourishment is nothing short of murder. Where is the sacrement in that? But for those of us who believe, we must have faith in 12footer's comment, the judge will be judged, and so too will Mr Schiavo. And I don't think God will judge them favorably. But may God have mercy on Terry.
David, I agree, it shouldn't be political, but it is. I put my political opinions asside in this one thread, but I did so to make a point that seems to escape most people endowed with otherwise common sense. It appears that you have grasped that, so whereas, this is not directly aplicable to you, I feel compelled to add to your post....Not that it needed it. I neeeded it.<br />I have been embroiled in the political nuances of this subject on another site. I just fealt it was time to attempt to express my opinion, devoid of political influence. But then, there are the theological arguments that I cannot remove from the equation. Romans ,Russians, or Cubans could lead the human race. But man is different than other animals. Hitler tried to apply "eugenics", the study of survival of the fittest, as revealed thruout the animal world, to mankind. The results were horrifying, and will remain horrifying until they are allowed to be forgotten.....Then, they will be repeated under another name,and that name's champion.<br />But in between monsters, we must try to care for our weak and infirm populace, like infants and Terri Shiavo.<br />Polital replies to this thread, sooner or later, are sure to add the lack of need for a Social Security program and it's failings, if we just elliminate those poor souls who require it. No need to revamp it to make the outdated program solvent anymore. Understand that this is not my opinion, and don't want to put words in anyone's mouth here. But it's not that far off, that someone leaks thier intent.<br />I just think man is better than Hitler's example.<br />All that to say, I agree with you--"I wish Repubs would shut up!". Actually, I wish both would. There is so much more of this issue which is burried behind the skirts of Mike More and Rush Linbaugh!<br />It's vital that we, as human beings, draw a line in the sand between right and wrong.<br />"They shoot horses,don't they?" (the frightening "burden to society" montra), just DOESN'T CUT IT.
 

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This sounds odd, but she is a very lucky lady and must've been some kinda woman! None of us are going to get out of this thing we call "life" alive. It's just a matter of How and When. Her How was answered 15 years ago. When is to be determined my Man because Man interfered with the natural process. Feeding Tubes ARE artificial means. They have to be surgically installed and maintained manually. She'd have died long long ago without it. But to have a husband fight tooth-and-nail to honor her wishes and parents and siblings that are fighting tooth-and-nail to keep her alive in hopes of a miracle, well how many of US would be able to go thru it for FIFTEEN YEARS? Sorry, but her birth-family is allowing Hope to overshadow Reality. I'm sorry for their pain, but their battle is a futile one and Terri is the one suffering. She's gone. Let her go.
 

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She got that way from an eating disorder, how ironic! It's the families business and nobody else's period
 

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They are going on the husbands word that she wanted to die instead of being in this condition.<br />hmmmmmmmmmmmm............<br /><br />You would think you need a little more then one persons word to decide if a person should live or die.<br /><br />I see a little of both sides of the argument but I don't see enough to compel them to starve her to death. <br /><br />If she is truly in such a bad condition why not just end it right away instead of letting her starve to death.<br /><br />There is a reason no one has seen any recent pics of Terry Schiavo, YOU COULDN'T HANDLE IT. No matter what side of the case you are on.
 

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:) "Calling Michael Moore"!!! <br /><br />When will he make a movie of this mockery and make millions once again, when the masses want to see & hear the real truth!!!!!! :p :p
 

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Right-on Kiwi.<br /><br />David - Some Docs says she can swallow and with therapy, can swallow food. The proof is, she does not drool. Therefore, she is even now swallowing her own saliva<br /><br />Rodbolt - you're wrong. The whole fight that started in 1993 was over her hubby withholding therapy and medical treatment. It's part of the court record. She has not had any therapy in all that time. She has not had one additional diagnostic test like an MRI (how PVS is diagnosed these days) or a PET scan. Here is the time line for the two years when things hit the fan:<br /><br />
<br /><br />1992<br /><br />Aug - Terri awarded $250,000 in malpractice settlement.<br /><br />Nov - Terri awarded $1.4 million in malpractice trial.<br /><br />Nov - Michael Schiavo awarded $600,000 in malpractice trial<br /><br />1993<br /> <br />Feb - Michael Schiavo denies recommended rehabilitation treatment.<br /><br />Feb - Schiavo and Terri's parents have falling out regarding lack of therapy for Terri.<br /><br />Feb - Schiavo withholds medical information from Terri's parents.<br /><br />Feb - Schiavo posts Do not Resuscitate order in Terri's medical chart.<br /><br />Jun - Schiavo threatens Schindler family with lawsuit.<br /><br />Aug - Schiavo orders medical staff not to treat Terri for potentially fatal infection.<br /><br />Sep - Bob and Mary Schindler petition courts to remove Schiavo as Terri's guardian.<br /><br />Nov - Schiavo admits in deposition that he knew withholding treatment of infection could result in Terri's death.<br /><br />2000<br /> <br />Jan - Judge Greer Conducts Terri’s Feeding Tube Removal Trial.<br /><br />Feb - Greer Rules to Remove Nutrition Feeding Tube.<br /><br />Feb – Affidavits filed by 3 doctors state Terri can swallow and is not PVS.<br /><br />Feb - Greer denies petition to allow Terri swallowing tests. <br /><br />Apr - Greer imposes restricted visitor list for Terri.<br /><br />Jul - Appeal filed with Appellate Court to overturn Greer’s verdict.<br /><br />Nov - Appellate Court Conducts Oral Arguments.<br /><br /><br />
 

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:) Does anybody have a sharper needle then me????<br />Mine will not penetrate the glass TV screen!!!!!<br />If yours is sharper please pop that balloon!!!!! :p :p
 

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:) Man in support of Terri, walks into Randells firearm store brandishing a knife, not far from her hospital, reaches over counter to steal a gun,store owner pulls out his gun and the thief backs away!!!!! ;) :cool:
 

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It's is worth noting that the socialist, Stalinist, Marxist, pinko, Commie left is always whining about health care for masses. Government sponsored cradle to grave health care for all the huddled poor masses. But they come out in opposition to health care for Terry. Just more evidence that Michael Savage is correct in his supposition that liberalism is a mental disorder.
 
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