gun control proposal from the Toledo Blade

jinx

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I have read and reread this op-ed piece looking for signs of parody, what do you think. I am afraid he really believes this. I hope not, maybe I'm just dense today,

Jinx

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070425/OPINION04/704250310/0/OPINION

Article published Wednesday, April 25, 2007
The disarming of America


Dan Simpson, a retired diplomat, is a member of the editorial boards of The Blade and Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.


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LAST week's tragedy at Virginia Tech in which a mentally disturbed person gunned down 32 of America's finest - intelligent young people with futures ahead of them - once again puts the phenomenon of an armed society into focus for Americans.

The likely underestimate of how many guns are wandering around America runs at 240 million in a population of about 300 million. What was clear last week is that at least two of those guns were in the wrong hands.

When people talk about doing something about guns in America, it often comes down to this: "How could America disarm even if it wanted to? There are so many guns out there."

Because I have little or no power to influence the "if" part of the issue, I will stick with the "how." And before anyone starts to hyperventilate and think I'm a crazed liberal zealot wanting to take his gun from his cold, dead hands, let me share my experience of guns.

As a child I played cowboys and Indians with cap guns. I had a Daisy Red Ryder B-B gun. My father had in his bedside table drawer an old pistol which I examined surreptitiously from time to time. When assigned to the American embassy in Beirut during the war in Lebanon, I sometimes carried a .357 Magnum, which I could fire accurately. I also learned to handle and fire a variety of weapons while I was there, including Uzis and rocket-propelled grenade launchers.

I don't have any problem with hunting, although blowing away animals with high-powered weapons seems a pointless, no-contest affair to me. I suppose I would enjoy the fellowship of the experience with other friends who are hunters.

Now, how would one disarm the American population? First of all, federal or state laws would need to make it a crime punishable by a $1,000 fine and one year in prison per weapon to possess a firearm. The population would then be given three months to turn in their guns, without penalty.

Hunters would be able to deposit their hunting weapons in a centrally located arsenal, heavily guarded, from which they would be able to withdraw them each hunting season upon presentation of a valid hunting license. The weapons would be required to be redeposited at the end of the season on pain of arrest. When hunters submit a request for their weapons, federal, state, and local checks would be made to establish that they had not been convicted of a violent crime since the last time they withdrew their weapons. In the process, arsenal staff would take at least a quick look at each hunter to try to affirm that he was not obviously unhinged.

It would have to be the case that the term "hunting weapon" did not include anti-tank ordnance, assault weapons, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, or other weapons of war.

All antique or interesting non-hunting weapons would be required to be delivered to a local or regional museum, also to be under strict 24-hour-a-day guard. There they would be on display, if the owner desired, as part of an interesting exhibit of antique American weapons, as family heirlooms from proud wars past or as part of collections.

Gun dealers could continue their work, selling hunting and antique firearms. They would be required to maintain very tight inventories. Any gun sold would be delivered immediately by the dealer to the nearest arsenal or the museum, not to the buyer.

The disarmament process would begin after the initial three-month amnesty. Special squads of police would be formed and trained to carry out the work. Then, on a random basis to permit no advance warning, city blocks and stretches of suburban and rural areas would be cordoned off and searches carried out in every business, dwelling, and empty building. All firearms would be seized. The owners of weapons found in the searches would be prosecuted: $1,000 and one year in prison for each firearm.

Clearly, since such sweeps could not take place all across the country at the same time. But fairly quickly there would begin to be gun-swept, gun-free areas where there should be no firearms. If there were, those carrying them would be subject to quick confiscation and prosecution. On the streets it would be a question of stop-and-search of anyone, even grandma with her walker, with the same penalties for "carrying."

The "gun lobby" would no doubt try to head off in the courts the new laws and the actions to implement them. They might succeed in doing so, although the new approach would undoubtedly prompt new, vigorous debate on the subject. In any case, some jurisdictions would undoubtedly take the opportunity of the chronic slowness of the courts to begin implementing the new approach.

America's long land and sea borders present another kind of problem. It is easy to imagine mega-gun dealerships installing themselves in Mexico, and perhaps in more remote parts of the Canadian border area, to funnel guns into the United States. That would constitute a problem for American immigration authorities and the U.S. Coast Guard, but not an insurmountable one over time.

There could conceivably also be a rash of score-settling during hunting season as people drew out their weapons, ostensibly to shoot squirrels and deer, and began eliminating various of their perceived two-footed enemies. Given the general nature of hunting weapons and the fact that such killings are frequently time-sensitive, that seems a lesser sort of issue.

That is my idea of how it could be done. The desire to do so on the part of the American people is another question altogether, but one clearly raised again by the Blacksburg tragedy.

Dan Simpson, a retired diplomat, is a member of the editorial boards of The Blade and Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.
 

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Read between the lines he is a lib. From my experience 99% of diplomats are libs. Libs do not know the word HISTORY, so soon they forget, I thought that was what we were trying to do in bagdad with 140,000 trained military with tanks!!! Not working overnight there!! Guns in American hands have saved almost 90% of the world at one time or another, Our Right To Have Arms is the only thing in the Constitution that has kept us free. It is the simplest ammendment to interpret, or defend. The only way they can change it would be too change the definition of certain words in it. (EXAMPLE) GAY used to mean happy!!!!!!
 

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I'll just quote his" $1000 fine and one year in jail" Where in the hel- did he come up with this? . Because it is proven to work?
 

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Whenever the subject of gun control is broached on this board,it gets very heated comments.
I wonder whether it is about self defense or whether it is about separating a man from his toy.
 

jinx

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..or perhaps searches and seizures without legal process...

The more I think about it this has to a limp attempt at humor. Where do I sign up to be on an editorial board of two major newspapers with his skills?

Jinx
 

Coors

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a toy? are your tools toys? A gun is a tool, not all people should be allowed to have tools, they might use them incorrectly?
 

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Whenever the subject of gun control is broached on this board,it gets very heated comments.
I wonder whether it is about self defense or whether it is about separating a man from his toy.

From a progressive CRITICAL thinker, this statement is inane. It appears to be a typical liberal deflection. But giving you the benifit of the doubt, rolmops, the answer is NONE OF THE ABOVE.

To assist your flagging critical thinking skills, it is all about ones Constitutional, self evident right to "keep and bear arms".

It is none of your (liberals) business as to the motivation for ones doing so. (all illegal motivations excluded) It simply does not need to be justified!
 

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I always find it interesting how a liberal can justify the killing of millions of unborn as constitutional, then when something like the right to bear arms is brought up, the constitution is a living and breathing document. I can just see George Washington and Thomas Jefferson actually debating the validity of taking a life for ones convenience and calling it constitutional.

Neat how they come up with plans on how to implement unconstitutional programs without first mentioning the necessity to change the constitution/bill of rights. Even as a footnote.

Considering the ratio of gun murders to murders by vaccum cleaner it gets even more rediculous.
 

SS MAYFLOAT

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I'll fight with all my ammo for my constitution right to bear arms. Are you ready?
 

wakeout

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Remember this : GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE
 

rolmops

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You sound quite impressive.
The difference between you and me is that I fought in real wars with real guns.
Besides,personal insults are not permitted on this board.
 

JRJ

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Simpson is either: Kidding or Stupid or Insane.

At least the State of Utah is on the right track by giving students the means to protect themselves. This is every-one's right by God and the law.
 

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As mentioned,it is a constitutional right and probably always will be. Could a knife,baseball bat or a rope be just as lethal?Lets not put the carriage before the horse,If these kids are troubled and feel the need to go to a school and start killing people, at some point shouldnt someone have caught this and saw to it that they got help? Jumping into the issue of gun control,whatever the side,seems to be missing a much greater point.We all have stars and stripes on our flag.
 

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I fight in a never ending war every day with the imoral. Besides you called it a toy. What is so wrong with a toy?
 

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Toys?

Well, I call it playing with my toys when I use any of my tools. Power tools, sledges, tractor, rod and reel and yes, guns.

I use them all legally and safely and would strongly resist any of them being taken away.
 

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I always find it interesting how a liberal can justify the killing of millions of unborn as constitutional, then when something like the right to bear arms is brought up, the constitution is a living and breathing document. I can just see George Washington and Thomas Jefferson actually debating the validity of taking a life for ones convenience and calling it constitutional.

Neat how they come up with plans on how to implement unconstitutional programs without first mentioning the necessity to change the constitution/bill of rights. Even as a footnote.

Considering the ratio of gun murders to murders by vaccum cleaner it gets even more rediculous.


You are right.You have a constitutional right to bear arms and I do not want that to be changed.Abortion is also a constitutional right and you want that to be changed.Either the constitution is beyond reproach or it is not. You cannot have it both ways.
But just to put things in perspective.George Washington was a slave owner and he did not think that slave ownership was wrong.If your reaction to that is, "Yes but times and morals change" you might find yourself on thin ground concerning your right to bear arms
 

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I just want to wake up every morning with the same rights I went to bed with. The leftist that talked or tried to use diplomacy with this troubled kid should be the ones held accountable for what another one of their failed talks accomplished. They are the ones who built the road blocks that allowed this child to literally walk in shooting. It would have been discrimation to stop and question him!
 

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Whenever the subject of gun control is broached on this board,it gets very heated comments.
I wonder whether it is about self defense or whether it is about separating a man from his toy.

Substitute the word "toy" with duty, and for me that would be the appropriate question.

I'm thinking there isn't a single liberal alive in this country today that will be happy until they take every American culture, value, right and essence from the law abiding of this country.
Their happiness will truely make them my enemy.
 
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