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  • Tongue Weight - Insight or Folly?

    My buddy called to tell me his new trailer was fishtailing, so I went over to take a look. The boat was set up perfectly on the bunks and rollers, so we agreed that moving the axle was what was needed.

    As we were standing there deciding how to proceed, the wife came out and said "why not just put a steel box on the tongue and fill it with lead?" We both agreed that it wasn't a half bad idea. The only space available was on the front section, before the swing hinge.

    I surely think it would functionally solve the problem. Anyone think of a reason that it wouldn't be a wise move?

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  • #2
    Better move axis further back say 4 to 6 inches and test, don't want a super heavy weight at tongue.

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    • #3
      How much added weight are you talking about?

      One problem is when the swing is swung, the box of lead will be supported by only one half of the hinge and the tongue could be twisted by the weight at a right angle to the tongue.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by GA_Boater View Post
        How much added weight are you talking about?

        One problem is when the swing is swung, the box of lead will be supported by only one half of the hinge and the tongue could be twisted by the weight at a right angle to the tongue.
        About 100 pounds.

        Yes, you're right about the swing hinge. Looking at it again, there is a perfect spot just after the winch stand and right at the A-frame. It'll be less effective there, but it won't affect the swing.

        The thought was just what I was looking for - keep them coming...
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sea Rider View Post
          Better move axis further back say 4 to 6 inches and test, don't want a super heavy weight at tongue.

          Happy Boating
          Surely, that's what most people would do. But did the Lady have a better mousetrap? Patentable?
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          • #6
            No.
            Lead is for bullets, and maybe sinkers.

            And moving the axle is free.
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            • #7
              I am wondering if there is enough 'stuff' in the boat that can be moved to the bow for towing

              Might be easier than the lead or the axle moving.
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              • #8
                If only 100lb os needed it seems that a drop hitch would be sufficient. How long is the trailer? Like 1/2 inch could* be all you need.

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                • #9
                  move the cooler of beer and ice forward.

                  each case of beer is about 40#
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Scott Danforth View Post

                    . . . each case of beer is about 40#
                    Not for long around my house
                    Best regards, Ted . . . . Cape Cod, MA

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                    • #11
                      Why drag around an extra 100 pounds for the rest of the time you own the boat? Moving the axle shouldn't take more than an hour or so.

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                      • #12
                        My buddy's dad owned a gas station and he has literally tons of old wheel weights handy, so the lead is free.

                        The hour it would take isn't free - its beer drinking time wasted.

                        Looking at the boat configuration, there is nothing that can be moved without creating a hassle.

                        The extra 100# in the overall scheme of things won't seriously affect gas mileage, so its a non-issue.

                        I asked the question because I thought it was a novel idea, and just wanted to see if others could come up with a reason not to do it.
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                        • #13
                          If that idea appeals to you (100 lbs of ballast), maybe consider adding something more useful? Like a spare tire and a good solid mount? Or get fancy and come up with a way to mount an extra hub in practical manner? A heavy duty tool box maybe? Something with a little more purpose seems like a more practical option from where I'm sitting....assuming you have an open mind on the topic.

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                          • #14
                            Tool Box - that's it. Best idea so far.
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                            2017 Boston Whaler 150 Montauk & Mercury 60 ELPT Command Thrust & Merc 3.5 Kicker
                            2015 Yamaha FX Cruiser HO
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                            1960 Mulray 100 Dinghy, equipped with Beaver Oars
                            1952 Lyman 15' Mid Steer & Evinrude Big Twin 25
                            69 Outboards: 1919-2019, representing 11 manufacturers
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                            • #15
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                              Before getting carried away adding stuff to the tongue, put some temporary weight in bow of the boat and do a test tow.

                              Have you weighed the current tongue to see how heavy is? Something tells me you could move the boat forward a few inches and not upset the boat's posture on the trailer.
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