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  • Registering Canoe In NY. Really This Difficult?

    As pretty much everyone knows NY sucks, and I have no idea why I moved back here after separating from active duty. My mistake that I now live with everyday. So here is my situation.

    I bought a canoe from a guy on Craigslist last spring. It is a double ended canoe (not square stern) and was never used with a motor or specifically intended for one. Once you put a motor on it in NY it has to be registered. So day 1 at the DMV, I brought in a boat's hull identification number and was ready to fill out some paperwork and pay this great state (sarcasm much?). Well that got shut down fast, I needed to either bring in pictures of the HIN or do a pencil shading of it. So I went home, got pictures and came back the next day. Now I get the "Oh it shouldn't be any problem to register this." I fill out four forms and have to explain that I do not know the guy I bought it from and have no paperwork for it because it is a canoe that was purchased from Craigslist. As the woman is processing my information she stops and informs me that because the canoe is over 14 feet I must go through NY State Parks and Rec to get a title. Which requires filling out a form, sending it to Albany, waiting for contact from them to schedule a inspection of the craft so that a title can be issued (obviously for a fee) then I can come back and register with the DMV....

    So at this point I am about to do the not so honest thing and go to another DMV and just say its 13'6" and be done with it. Anyone have any experience with something like this or words of wisdom?

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    Re: Registering Canoe In NY. Really This Difficult?

    experience? yes. Wisdom? seldom seen in association with bureaucracy.

    The world was a better place when motors under 10 HP were exempt.

    Problem with fudging the length is that the HIN might tie in to the manufacturer's official length and get you in trouble. on the other hand, maybe you can check the manufacturer info and the official size is under 14?

    The whole boat titling/registration process for small boats is absurd.
    A man of constant boat tinkering.

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    • #3
      Re: Registering Canoe In NY. Really This Difficult?

      Hi, and welcome to iboats.

      Afraid I don't have much sympathy for your predicament. Why don't you have paperwork? Who buys a boat without getting a receipt from the seller? You want NY to register the boat for you, but you don't have any proof that it's yours. You did it- don't blame New York.

      Sounds like you're already following the right path, so follow it until you're done.

      Good luck.
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        Re: Registering Canoe In NY. Really This Difficult?

        That's a lot of mess to go through. But for peace of mind in the future I would go through with it and get it done with. We are lucky here in WI. So long as a boat is manually powered, it does not need to be registered, no matter the size of the vessel. On the plus side, registration can make it harder for a thief to use the vessel.

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          Re: Registering Canoe In NY. Really This Difficult?

          Originally posted by JoLin View Post
          Hi, and welcome to iboats.

          Afraid I don't have much sympathy for your predicament. Why don't you have paperwork? Who buys a boat without getting a receipt from the seller? You want NY to register the boat for you, but you don't have any proof that it's yours. You did it- don't blame New York.

          Sounds like you're already following the right path, so follow it until you're done.

          Good luck.

          One other thing to realize is that every state is different as far as the boat registration/titling process. Some states don't title boats, some states title all boats, some states only title boats larger than a certain size, some states only title boats with an engine, etc. etc. It would make a lot more sense for all states to do it the same way, but I don't see that happening.

          And yes, before buying a boat one should check into what's required to register and use that boat, including all the safety rules and regulations.
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            Re: Registering Canoe In NY. Really This Difficult?

            moving to a non-communist state would be probably a simpler process.

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              Re: Registering Canoe In NY. Really This Difficult?

              Originally posted by jbach View Post
              moving to a non-communist state would be probably a simpler process.
              This is true.


              Originally posted by JoLin View Post
              Hi, and welcome to iboats.

              Afraid I don't have much sympathy for your predicament. Why don't you have paperwork? Who buys a boat without getting a receipt from the seller? You want NY to register the boat for you, but you don't have any proof that it's yours. You did it- don't blame New York.

              Sounds like you're already following the right path, so follow it until you're done.

              Good luck.
              Clearly you do not live under Hitlers' regime. The canoe was never purchased by the previous owner or myself for motorized use. So no title or registration was of any concern, however now that some time has passed and I've decided to register I have to jump through flaming hoops with a wad of hundred dollar bills in hand. You can buy a canoe from Joe blow on the side of the road with no paperwork. Put a motor on it; then be prepared to bend over.

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                Re: Registering Canoe In NY. Really This Difficult?

                Also when you use the term but a "boat" my understanding is that it was not a "boat" as defined under the motorized portion of NY state law. Meaning it essentially requires no paperwork. Had I have just bought a ten thousand dollar pontoon boat or something I would have wanted documents... It's a three-hundred dollar canoe....

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                • #9
                  Re: Registering Canoe In NY. Really This Difficult?

                  You had better come up with a bill of sale from your brothers uncle's sister in law ( anyone you can get to 'sell' you your boat ). They are going to need it to provide ownership or the only other way is to say it is hommade, but then you need receipts for the build to prove you paid for it.

                  This is the form you need to send to NYS parks http://nysparks.com/recreation/boati...pplication.pdf
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                  • #10
                    Re: Registering Canoe In NY. Really This Difficult?

                    I had to register a kayak in Illinois a few years ago. The kayak was a gift from my sister (who lives in DC) to my kids, and it was purchased by her and sent directly to us. It was a total pain to register, involving asking my sister for a copy of the bill of sale so we could file forms to pay taxes on the kayak (even though we didn't buy it), in addition to the DNR forms for the kayak registration itself. What a hassle...
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                    • #11
                      Re: Registering Canoe In NY. Really This Difficult?

                      So why are you registering it?

                      Do you plan on putting a motor on it?
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                      • #12
                        Re: Registering Canoe In NY. Really This Difficult?

                        That was years ago... I just looked on the DNR website and found that they no longer require kayaks, canoes and paddle boats in IL to be registered. We should have waited a few years! Would have saved me some aggravation...
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                          Re: Registering Canoe In NY. Really This Difficult?

                          I hate ny as well. Unfortunately its where we live. I bought a jet ski with no papers. I went to VT after one try in NY. VT sent me home with a transferable registration. They just wanted a bill of sale and the hull #. Check the website in vt for what you need. It was laot easier than tracking down the death certificate of the indivdual who owned my jet ski three owners before me. Now i have a VT Transferable Registration. I may register it in NY with that. I did the same with a venture trailer for my boat. Registered it in Maine with a bill of sale and then once that expired i used the transferable reg from Maine to register it in NY and got a Transferable Reg from NY.

                          NY also has the option to register. You can register anything you want with out holding paper work. I have sold cars to people with out any paper work who registered them in NY. You won't have proof of ownership or the ability to sell it to someone like a transferable registration but you will get the stickers you need. And for a canoe who really cares about a transferable reg. Most get paddled. Its a shame we have to be deceitful in this state to do anything. You would think they would want to make it easier to register so they can track down stuff easier.
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                            Re: Registering Canoe In NY. Really This Difficult?

                            Originally posted by JoLin View Post
                            Afraid I don't have much sympathy for your predicament....

                            Why don't you have paperwork? Who buys a boat without getting a receipt from the seller? You want NY to register the boat for you, but you don't have any proof that it's yours. You did it- don't blame New York...
                            I do. he bought a canoe that doesn't need, nor typically have, paperwork. Like a lawn mower, TV or chain saw. No need to sound so self-righteous.

                            And I also "blame New York" and every other state that has these non-sensicle laws and processes (worse are the ones that title outboard motors! Brilliant!)

                            Overbearing laws make law-abiding men become criminals, and that is not the purpose or desired effect of laws. They also erode any respect one might have for laws and the systems that use them (like the zero tolerance policies in schools). Laws are to serve citizens, not inflict them.

                            FTR I do not have any sympathy for those with the daily posts "I just bought this boat; what is it and how do I get a title?" when they bought something that clearly should be registered, or once was.
                            I have empathy for those who inherit the old family boat with paperwork issues; it's just wrong, communist, even, to take away family heirlooms that way.
                            Those who accept free boats with title issues, well they can always dump it.
                            A man of constant boat tinkering.

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                              Re: Registering Canoe In NY. Really This Difficult?

                              Thanks everyone, I called every agency and their mother today. Dmv is wrong, NY parks and rec has nothing to do with titling a vessel, all they do is give a HIN if it doesn't already have one. But since it was made in recent years it already has one. Also found out all I had to do was call Old Town and they are sending me a certificate of origin. This is the document I need to count as a title to complete registration. I went back in to verify, they agreed.

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