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  • The whole shebang. 16' aluminum shell to fishing machine.

    I'm normally a motorcycle guy. Will trade motorcycle advice for boat restoration advice.

    I purchased this boat when I was in school for $900 with the trailer and a 4-stroke 5-horse Honda motor. The motor was worth what I paid for the whole mess so I figured I was ahead from the beginning. I didn't mind the brushed-on latex paint or the oddly-sized trailer. We fished from it a few times only to discover that idle on the motor was too fast for trolling and mice got into the foam flotation inside the benches and tore it up. I had great plans of a quick, half-assed fix, throwing on a trolling motor, and going, but my big plans and nursing school got in the way. Now the boat's co-owner (my mom) is tasking me with completing the job for a first voyage sometime after ice-out.

    It's a 16' aluminum. Built in the 60s, I think. Starcraft, maybe. I have the Honda and I also have an electric trolling motor. The boat is a shell, freshly sandblasted for $150.

    I have no idea how to go about half of what I want to do. I have plush seats from a pontoon boat for the rear bench and the front bench for me and mom as both of us have terrible backs. It'll stay a tiller to decrease drama. It also needs a floor for my mom to walk on without breaking an ankle, rod holders, cup holders, and hopefully a downrigger mount.


    Here it is, before sandblasting, and after I discovered that sandblasting was superior to removing the paint by hand:



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    Re: The whole shebang. 16' aluminum shell to fishing machine.

    Benches are bent.


    Way bent.


    Replace transom?


    Random fasteners throughout



    The big, hairy question: Do I cut out the benches and deck the whole thing? My goal is to run both motors, so a box for a fuel tank and a battery are needed, I could make a center bench with a back to row from if I want to, and my mom wouldn't have to climb over seats. Heck, my 1-year-old could even tear around in the bottom. I could build in rod mounts and storage on the sides. How hard is it? Does this hull make decking more or less difficult? What's the learning curve on this stuff?

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    • #3
      Re: The whole shebang. 16' aluminum shell to fishing machine.

      Welcome to iBoats!
      Hopefully you had someone that knew what he was doing, blast the boat. It's not really a good thing to blast an aluminum boat!! Lot's of "Tin Boat" guys here on the forum and I'm sure they'll be along shortly to give you all the advice you can handle on what to do with her. Give them the specifics of what you want to do and they'll have the answers.

      Good luck with your project.

      1961 Lonestar Flamingo - SPLASHED...Kinda!!
      Fabricating Decks, Stringers, and Transoms
      Paint Your Boat with Tractor Paint...Say What!!!

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      • #4
        Re: The whole shebang. 16' aluminum shell to fishing machine.

        Also, do I need to seal joints before painting? There are a few holes that I'll be filling first. I was going to leave it oxidized aluminum, but then I started looking at the painting threads here. Drama.

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        • #5
          Re: The whole shebang. 16' aluminum shell to fishing machine.

          Originally posted by Woodonglass View Post
          Welcome to iBoats!
          Hopefully you had someone that knew what he was doing, blast the boat. It's not really a good thing to blast an aluminum boat!! Lot's of "Tin Boat" guys here on the forum and I'm sure they'll be along shortly to give you all the advice you can handle on what to do with her. Give them the specifics of what you want to do and they'll have the answers.

          Good luck with your project.

          Thanks for the welcome! It was a local (Colorado mountains) guy but he did a good job, and the aluminum is in awesome shape. I probably did more damage with my grinder trying to clear the paint. The skin is thick, so I'm not super worried. The hull seems to be in really good shape, I'm just stuck on how involved I want to get. Right now it's all alone in a 400 square foot garage. I can pretty much do whatever I want with it.

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          • #6
            Re: The whole shebang. 16' aluminum shell to fishing machine.

            Hi,

            The benches play a structural role on those boats, so I would be hesitant to cut them without putting in a structure that will hold the boat together.

            In terms of the transom - yes it DEFINITELY needs to be replaced. Someone tried to save money by using offcuts of wood. Trouble is the transom needs to be a solid piece of plywood to bear the weight of the motor.
            Peter
            Northern Ontario, Canada
            1968 Starcraft Holiday, 2012 Yamaha F90
            1974 Starcraft Chieftain 25'

            The Yellow Submarine
            14' Lone Star Transom Replacement
            1955 Johnson QD-16 10hp restoration

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            • #7
              Re: The whole shebang. 16' aluminum shell to fishing machine.

              I'll tag along,...........

              Myself I would probably put it back the way it was built and go fishing,.......

              That would be the fastest and most economical way in my opinion,.......

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              • #8
                Re: The whole shebang. 16' aluminum shell to fishing machine.

                It's a LoneStar

                It's supposed to have wood top benches, so at the hull, measure both ends of a bench & fab a seat that wide for the entire width of the boat. Push/pull the panels into the correct position to match that wooden bench seat. Seal the wood before installation. Epoxy, spar or paint. Epoxy will need to be covered to be protected from UV. It's not UV stable, but, IMO, the best sealer for wood in a tin boat. WoodOnGlass has a great DIY boiled linseed oil mix that should work great & be inexpensive comparatively. You can re-fill the seats w/ 1-2" rigid pink/blue insulation from HD/Lowes. If you can find any other places to sneak some flotation foam, I would:


                You don't have a lot of space for below deck insulation, but this ^^^ is how I'd fill the seat benches.

                It's supposed to have a 'hoop' bracket at each end of every bench seat, from the top of the bench to the top of the gunwale:

                LoneStar 16ft skipper ~ late 1950's-early 60's hull

                Yes replace the transom:

                Use a 2 layers of exterior plywood (NOT pressure treated) laminated together w/ TiteBond3, and well sealed before installation. This ^^^ pix is to further reference that yours is a LoneStar, I know the pix is, and I wouldn't fab the transom as shown in the pix (multiple pieces in each layer). I'd use 2 layers, full width/height, to maximize their strength.

                Deck (floor) may not be a straight forward, cut ply to fit & drop it in place. The hull has a slight cup to it, more at the bow, less at the stern.

                What kind of a deck were you thinking? Permanent, removeable panels, plywood, teak??
                Last edited by jbcurt00; February 10th, 2014, 09:38 AM.
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                • #9
                  Re: The whole shebang. 16' aluminum shell to fishing machine.

                  Originally posted by jbcurt00 View Post
                  It's a LoneStar

                  It's supposed to have wood top benches, so at the hull, measure both ends of a bench & fab a seat that wide for the entire width of the boat. Push/pull the panels into the correct position to match that wooden bench seat.
                  Deck (floor) may not be a straight forward, cut ply to fit & drop it in place. The hull has a slight cup to it, more at the bow, less at the stern.

                  What kind of a deck were you thinking? Permanent, removeable panels, plywood, teak??
                  Thanks!

                  What about using a rectangle to "slide" into the benches to reshape them? I was thinking of running a wood brace up the sides instead of those aluminum braces.

                  I was thinking of fitting plywood with hardwood runners for a removable floor. If I cut out the benches and decked it, it'd be using the benches (cut out) as brackets, making a frame with plywood and filling it in. It sounds too dramatic for my current situation though.

                  How critical is flotation? This boat will never see big water.
                  Last edited by dysco; February 10th, 2014, 02:09 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Re: The whole shebang. 16' aluminum shell to fishing machine.

                    I don't think the bench sides are too far out of shape that they need to be reworked. Just get the flanges flat & fasten the benches to the flange. You'd be surprised how rigid those side pieces get after the bench top goes back on.


                    I think there should always be plenty of flotation added to a resto, as much as possible.

                    It's not a huge expense, it's not difficult to do, and as this boat's current caretaker, you might be confident in your ability to swim/stay afloat/make it to shore, but will all of your passengers? Or the next caretaker in your family? Or the future buyer's family. Stuff happens, and not always in ideal conditions close to the ramp or another boat that can lend support.

                    BTW: In many waterways in the US, it can get extremely expensive, extremely fast to recover a swamped boat. Esp those w/ gas motors.
                    Money spent @ Boat Restoration should be measured in Smiles & Pride SHOP IBOATS-BOAT SPECS-FORUM HELP-REPAIR/RESTO

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                    • #11
                      Re: The whole shebang. 16' aluminum shell to fishing machine.

                      Originally posted by Teamster View Post
                      I'll tag along,...........

                      Myself I would probably put it back the way it was built and go fishing,.......

                      That would be the fastest and most economical way in my opinion,.......
                      Yup, I'm with my buddy teamster for this project.

                      Welcome to iboats!
                      1983 26' Starcraft Sportfisherman 261V Rebuild
                      1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild - SOLD
                      1984 16.5' Sea Nymph Ski Sport Rebuild
                      1980 16' Sea Nymph SS 165 Rebuild (swapped)
                      1968 15' Starcraft Jet Star Rebuild (sold)

                      115' of Beach on Lake Huron

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                      • #12
                        Re: The whole shebang. 16' aluminum shell to fishing machine.

                        gonna watch also. Looks very simular to the hull in this post. Only his is a 14'. Wonder if that could be a Lone Star also?

                        http://forums.iboats.com/boat-topics...at-638148.html


                        1984 Lund S14 DLX, 35hp Evinrude on a Spartan Roller Tilt trailer. Sold to little brother.
                        1988 Alumacraft Classic 16 under reconstruction.
                        1984 Sea Nymph FM144 Pike Attacker, 1994 Johnson 30hp

                        195? Rich Line 14', the stump bumber

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                        • #13
                          Re: The whole shebang. 16' aluminum shell to fishing machine.

                          I agree with JBcurt, you can never have too much floatation in a boat... floatation can mean the difference between life or death, especially when boating on cold water. Since your Mom is co-owner of the boat, I would never let my Mom go out in a boat of mine that lacked floatation.

                          I also agree that the benches will rework easily. Fill the benches with rigid polystyrene sheet foam insulation for floatation:
                          Owens Corning FOAMULAR 150 2 in. x 4 ft. x 8 ft. R-10 Scored Squared Edge Insulation Board-45W at The Home Depot

                          Measure the width of the inside of your benches where they attach to the hull:

                          Cut slabs of foam at this dimension nice and straight and uniform and lay them inside the bench:


                          This will straighten the front and back sides of the benches that are pushed in and will help align the side that are pushed out when you fasten the seat tops on.

                          The top flange on the front and back sides of the benches can be adjusted easily by tapping up or down with a hammer and clamping when installing the wooden seat tops. All in all it'll be a pretty easy job and will turn out looking better than you may think right now.
                          Last edited by jigngrub; February 10th, 2014, 05:10 PM.
                          I consider overkill a job well done... plus a little extra.

                          There's as many ways to do something as there is people to tell you how to do it... but not all of them are the right way.

                          The drinking and debauchery will continue until morale improves... and maybe for a little while after.

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                          • #14
                            Re: The whole shebang. 16' aluminum shell to fishing machine.

                            Originally posted by dysco View Post
                            How critical is flotation? This boat will never see big water.
                            I've never drowned but I'm guessing it sucks,..............

                            Floatation foam is very important, In my opinion,.......

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                            • #15
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                              Re: The whole shebang. 16' aluminum shell to fishing machine.

                              Originally posted by Teamster View Post
                              I've never drowned but I'm guessing it sucks,..............

                              Floatation foam is very important, In my opinion,.......
                              I tried it once, it wasn't that bad...

                              Point taken, foam will be added.

                              Originally posted by jigngrub View Post
                              I agree with JBcurt, you can never have too much floatation in a boat... floatation can mean the difference between life or death, especially when boating on cold water. Since your Mom is co-owner of the boat, I would never let my Mom go out in a boat of mine that lacked floatation.

                              I also agree that the benches will rework easily. Fill the benches with rigid polystyrene sheet foam insulation for floatation:
                              Owens Corning FOAMULAR 150 2 in. x 4 ft. x 8 ft. R-10 Scored Squared Edge Insulation Board-45W at The Home Depot

                              Measure the width of the inside of your benches where they attach to the hull:

                              Cut slabs of foam at this dimension nice and straight and uniform and lay them inside the bench:


                              This will straighten the front and back sides of the benches that are pushed in and will help align the side that are pushed out when you fasten the seat tops on.

                              The top flange on the front and back sides of the benches can be adjusted easily by tapping up or down with a hammer and clamping when installing the wooden seat tops. All in all it'll be a pretty easy job and will turn out looking better than you may think right now.
                              The pictures help a ton, thanks. This project just got way easier.

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