87 bayliner refurb/restoration project... "The Big Dirty"

[banshee owner]

Re: 87 bayliner refurb/restoration project... "The Big Dirty"

Welcome to the world i work in lol

brakes lines are the worst but then again i generally have a hoist to work under

i feel for you if your doing it on the ground

 

[bigdirty]

Re: 87 bayliner refurb/restoration project... "The Big Dirty"

Ya, and it sucks even MORE to be doing it AGAIN.... (yes, on the ground.. at least i have a wood stove in my shop..) Yup, got it all back together this afternoon, and the clutch is slipping. Like not drive-able slipping.. Hold brakes, release peddle in reverse or first, motor bogs down, but wont stall.. :facepalm: so its on my shop floor again, ordering a new clutch tomorrow...:cold: Word of advice, gear oil in the bell housing is BAD, and will turn an otherwise ok clutch into a big useless pos.

 

[ricohman]

Re: 87 bayliner refurb/restoration project... "The Big Dirty"

You swapped a trans without replacing the disc, and it was oil soaked? Yup, not a good thing. Better check the rear main and the input seal on the trans or you may be doing this again sooner than expected.

 

[bigdirty]

Re: 87 bayliner refurb/restoration project... "The Big Dirty"

You swapped a trans without replacing the disc....

Yes, yes I did, because there was nothing wrong with the clutch to begin with. It had lots of life left, but the reverse gear was gone in the trans. The idiot that I am tho, first thing yesterday morning (still half asleep i guess..) i decided to fill the gear box while i did a few other things.. there is an 'inspection' hole on the bellhousing (that i had taken the plug out of while re-installing trans) that i stuck the hose in and proceeded to dump 80/90 into.. :facepalm: tried to clean it out with brake cleaner, and it did 'sort of' move the car, but the damage was done.. now that its apart again and i HAVE to do the clutch, the rear main and the trans seal are both good/clean... it was all me. :mad-new:

 

[banshee owner]

Re: 87 bayliner refurb/restoration project... "The Big Dirty"

are you getting the flywheel machined may not be a bad 100 to spend then you know the new clutch will seat properly and not cause other issues like chattering ect. just my professional opinion.

would hate to see you do for a third time but look on the bright side you will an expert pulling and reinstalling by the time your done.:thumb:

 

[ricohman]

Re: 87 bayliner refurb/restoration project... "The Big Dirty"

are you getting the flywheel machined may not be a bad 100 to spend then you know the new clutch will seat properly and not cause other issues like chattering ect. just my professional opinion.

would hate to see you do for a third time but look on the bright side you will an expert pulling and reinstalling by the time your done.:thumb:

I agree. As a mechanic I know there are no shortcuts with a clutch. Seeing as they are so cheap nowdays I always install a new throwout bearing, pilot bearing/bushing, pressure plate and disc. And I usually get the flywheel turned by my buddy.

 

[banshee owner]

Re: 87 bayliner refurb/restoration project... "The Big Dirty"

if bigdirty gets the right clutch set it should come with the throw out bearing and an alignment tool. the ones we have come with the whole package minus the slave and flywheel.

 

[SwFL]

Re: 87 bayliner refurb/restoration project... "The Big Dirty"

I clicked on the thread thinking I was going to see like a little bayliner. I had no Idea they made these type of boats. I love the tent over top. On the living room all your missing is a giant 65" LED to go with that reciever/head unit. Wala it's a Theater room!

 

[ricohman]

Re: 87 bayliner refurb/restoration project... "The Big Dirty"

if bigdirty gets the right clutch set it should come with the throw out bearing and an alignment tool. the ones we have come with the whole package minus the slave and flywheel.

If you have a hydraulic slave thats inside the bellhousing, now is the time. Pain in the rear to pull a trans to swap that out when it springs a leak.

 

[bigdirty]

Re: 87 bayliner refurb/restoration project... "The Big Dirty"

ok..

Normally, yes i would agree with you mechanics, BUT in this case, because Volkswagen decided to do EVERYTHING backarsewards, its not as simple as it would seam. ..for instance; the front engine/transmission/starter mount. yes, that's what i said. Its all held together by two bolts, going through everything.

Yes I got the flywheel machined (i would never put a new clutch on without doing that) for $75, which was a good deal... but the release bearing is a strange animal in this car.. its at the REAR of the trans, (operated by a cable/leaver) and literally pushes a ROD through the entire unit, through the center of the input shaft, and that pushes on a cone shaped disc that in turn pushes on the fingers of the pressure plate. Which is bolted to the crank. With the flywheel/ring gear bolted TO it. Yes, that is how they do...

To top it all off, the clutch i ordered was totally the wrong part, my VIN doesn't exist as far as VW can tell, and the part # on/measurments my clutch parts indicates it should be behind a gas motor, not a 1.9 turbo diesel...:facepalm:



you know... I would really rather be bitching about OMC designed outdrives or poor bayliner quality, or previous owner foul ups... :faint2:



And SwFL, thanks.. if i ever get to working on the boat again i will start posting something else.. lol.. and yup, they make even bigger bayliners too.. as for the Tv, already in the works :laugh: thinkin i will bring up my 42" flat screen from the basement appt... its not getting much use these days..

 

[bigdirty]

Re: 87 bayliner refurb/restoration project... "The Big Dirty"

just cause I'm bored.. :laugh: and nothing better to do at the moment, some pics of my current 'car'nage in progress..amazing how much room a wee VW can take up...

 

[ricohman]

Re: 87 bayliner refurb/restoration project... "The Big Dirty"

VW clutch. Yes I agree its an abomination, but they do last a very long time. Lots of hot spots on the PP as well. I do have to admit in my beater cars I do the absolute minimum to keep them on the road. In fact my Caravan has many different colors of fluids leaking at the moment. Never buy a car from a mechanic!
I don't know if you can buy a combined clutch set for an old VW diesel, and part by part its gets expensive in a hurry.
I also think it's time for a veggie conversion.

 

[bigdirty]

Re: 87 bayliner refurb/restoration project... "The Big Dirty"

ya, I'm a machinist, not to far off :laugh: done my share of hack fixes... this is just 'a car' to me, long as it gets me to work and town for basics, I'm good. Oh, and to the marina of course Yes, this one would have lasted another 100+k i'm sure, if not for my stupidity.. :facepalm: I've thought about a veggie convo, but that would mean spending more time and $ on a car I'm sick of working on, and barely has enough 'umph' to get out of its own way.. 74 horse.. yah... but it still gets pretty good mileage as it is... and only 176k on her right now, maybe if I hit 400 and it starts getting 'tired'...

VW wanted $220 just for the friction disk, $380 for the whole clutch kit, two days to ship to me.. found an aftermarket kit for $250, got it same day. (pp, friction disk, release bearing, stupid metal disk and clip-ring.. no alignment tool though.. buggers... good thing I have digital vernier calipers at home!) Funny thing... My clutch is now an 'Argentinian/European' made part #, that should be behind a GAS motor, from 1994... whatever, I don't care if its for a friggin LAWNMOWER at this point; it looked right, measured right, fit right, AAAAAAnd 4 hours (and a beer or 6) later its all back together and seams to be working well.. road test tomorrow, and go get some power steering fluid (a line I disturbed has started leaking... meh) but i'm DONE with this car for now.. ON TO THE BOAT!!!!!

 

[bigdirty]

Re: 87 bayliner refurb/restoration project... "The Big Dirty"

yeahhh.... um, I really gota stop saying stuff like that out loud, with the car within earshot.. :facepalm: this aint over yet... I've hijacked my own post over in the non boating tech forum, I don't think its right or fair to keep up this vehicular nonsence in my poor bayliners thread :laugh:

 

[banshee owner]

Re: 87 bayliner refurb/restoration project... "The Big Dirty"

What did ya do now lol. Cars cant really hear you unless you have herbie the love bug lmao

 

[bigdirty]

Re: 87 bayliner refurb/restoration project... "The Big Dirty"

..... Cars cant really hear you unless you have herbie the love bug lmao

ya right, i got one worse than that.. think its more like "Harriette the horrible b!tc4 jetta"... (shhh... shes outside in the driveway for now...)
I dont think she likes the boat... keeps breaking and forcing me to pay her more attention... :ballchain:

 

[banshee owner]

Re: 87 bayliner refurb/restoration project... "The Big Dirty"

haha all i can think of is the movie christine lmao

where did ya get your clutch set from if you dont mind me asking

 

[bigdirty]

Re: 87 bayliner refurb/restoration project... "The Big Dirty"

Ya, it certainly has a 'personality'... :distrust:

Got it from a local independent parts supplier, Hillsdale truck and auto. (about 20 mins drive from my house, little town called Hillsdale.. imagine that ) They are really good for pricing, 99% of the time they can get stuff SAME DAY, and did a lot of digging and leg work to help me out with this car/parts fiasco..wish they did marine stuff too..

 

[banshee owner]

Re: 87 bayliner refurb/restoration project... "The Big Dirty"

you be way way up north ehh
ive been to Borden and wasaga beach nice area up there

 

[bigdirty]

Re: 87 bayliner refurb/restoration project... "The Big Dirty"

you be way way up north ehh
ive been to Borden and wasaga beach nice area up there

Yup, it is nice.. in the summer :laugh: when i can go boating.. Dont ski or have a snowmobile, and I have some nerve damage in my fingers and hands now, from too many years of working on stuff out doors in the cold.. (frostbite sucks :cold so winter is not my favorite time of year.