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    Default 1963 Montgomery Wards Sea King Cuddy - Starcraft Chieftain

    I'm on my way this weekend to possibly purchase this boat. I cannot find anywhere the value of this vessel. Any guesses would help out.

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    Default Re: 1963 Montgomery Wards Sea King Cuddy - Starcraft Chieftain

    Wow. Didn't know they made a wards cuddy. Cool! Where are you located?

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    Default Re: 1963 Montgomery Wards Sea King Cuddy - Starcraft Chieftain

    Quote Originally Posted by CBGale2 View Post
    Wow. Didn't know they made a wards cuddy. Cool! Where are you located?
    I'm in the Midwest. How much should I offer on this boat?

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    Default Re: 1963 Montgomery Wards Sea King Cuddy - Starcraft Chieftain

    What is the owner asking? If the motor checks out and the boat floats, I'd say it's probably worth about $1000. This is assuming that the motor has good compression and the lower unit is in working condition.

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    Default Re: 1963 Montgomery Wards Sea King Cuddy - Starcraft Chieftain

    Quote Originally Posted by Ross72 View Post
    What is the owner asking? If the motor checks out and the boat floats, I'd say it's probably worth about $1000. This is assuming that the motor has good compression and the lower unit is in working condition.
    He's asking $2400 and says everything works great.

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    Default Re: 1963 Montgomery Wards Sea King Cuddy - Starcraft Chieftain

    IMHO---If the boat checks out ,very good, and is clean ready to use. OK the price where you are is a bit high,here on the west coast it would be a steal . But it has to bo in very very good condition . Suggest you offer him a lower figure $1500. He can always say no and you can work your way up if you wish. The boat is 50 years old and the motor looks to be mabey in the 70s but I may be wrong. Great boat and you would be happy with it.

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    Default Re: 1963 Montgomery Wards Sea King Cuddy - Starcraft Chieftain

    Yah, a Wards labeled Chief, huh! I've only seen 12 - 14 foot row boats with the Wards label. Interesting.

    Yah, $2400 seems a little pricey. Though, I am a huge cheepo. I'd say that the majority of your dollar is going to be riding on that OB. If everything is in tip top shape there then you are in business and that price becomes much more reasonable.

    Have fun!

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    Default Re: 1963 Montgomery Wards Sea King Cuddy - Starcraft Chieftain

    I'd have to know a little more to give a more educated answer. As mentioned, the majority of the value is in the motor. So it would be good to know year, horsepower, and whether it has power tilt 'n trim. The bare hull on a trailer would only be worth like $750. The motor could be an $800-$1500+ motor depending on what it is.
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    Default Re: 1963 Montgomery Wards Sea King Cuddy - Starcraft Chieftain

    Quote Originally Posted by ezmobee View Post
    I'd have to know a little more to give a more educated answer. As mentioned, the majority of the value is in the motor. So it would be good to know year, horsepower, and whether it has power tilt 'n trim. The bare hull on a trailer would only be worth like $750. The motor could be an $800-$1500+ motor depending on what it is.
    Thank you, great feedback.

    The motor is a 1980-81 85 hp Johnson out board tilt and trim (New tilt elec motor 2009).

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    Default Re: 1963 Montgomery Wards Sea King Cuddy - Starcraft Chieftain

    Quote Originally Posted by jasoutside View Post
    Yah, a Wards labeled Chief, huh! I've only seen 12 - 14 foot row boats with the Wards label. Interesting.

    Yah, $2400 seems a little pricey. Though, I am a huge cheepo. I'd say that the majority of your dollar is going to be riding on that OB. If everything is in tip top shape there then you are in business and that price becomes much more reasonable.

    Have fun!
    This is labeled as a Wards Sea King. Through my research I uncovered the manufacturer is actually Starcraft and being a 21 footer it would have to be the Chieftain.

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    Default Re: 1963 Montgomery Wards Sea King Cuddy - Starcraft Chieftain

    Quote Originally Posted by tglime View Post
    Thank you, great feedback.

    The motor is a 1980-81 85 hp Johnson out board tilt and trim (New tilt elec motor 2009).
    It would be a 1980. If it was an '81, it'd be a 90HP (which I have). That's a great motor and the TnT is a big plus. I'd probably go $2k on that rig. (I'd of course offer $1500 first)
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    Default Re: 1963 Montgomery Wards Sea King Cuddy - Starcraft Chieftain

    Very interesting find. I agree with most estimates on $ negotiations. The asking price is high. Be sure the trailer is OK too. If you acquire it it will be an interesting rehab. Good luck.

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    Default Re: 1963 Montgomery Wards Sea King Cuddy - Starcraft Chieftain

    well...Did you aquire this thing?


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    Quote Originally Posted by CheapboatKev View Post
    well...Did you aquire this thing?
    I did acquire this diamond in the rough. Here in MN we finally had temps above freezing, so it made for good negotiations.

    I'm a little nervous for not getting a sea trial, but the motor turned over and looked to be in pretty good shape for its age (1980). We had the water ear muffs attached to the lower intake and a garden hose. However the water was not squirting out of the water pump-most likely due to frozen water already in there. Wish we could have ran it longer but it is what it is and now shes mine.

    Thanks again for all the useful information. I will post photos of her transformation over the summer.

    You really don't see too many of these on the water anymore. Truly a great find. I cannot wait to shine her up. I think I'm going to name her SERENITY.

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    Default Re: 1963 Montgomery Wards Sea King Cuddy - Starcraft Chieftain

    Quote Originally Posted by tglime View Post
    I did acquire this diamond in the rough. Here in MN we finally had temps above freezing, so it made for good negotiations.

    I'm a little nervous for not getting a sea trial, but the motor turned over and looked to be in pretty good shape for its age (1980). We had the water ear muffs attached to the lower intake and a garden hose. However the water was not squirting out of the water pump-most likely due to frozen water already in there. Wish we could have ran it longer but it is what it is and now shes mine.

    Thanks again for all the useful information. I will post photos of her transformation over the summer.

    You really don't see too many of these on the water anymore. Truly a great find. I cannot wait to shine her up. I think I'm going to name her SERENITY.
    Well WELCOME ABOARD!
    Your comment on the water frozen in the water pump concerns me, but I am not an OB guy..Was this motor out in the elements un winterized?


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    Default Re: 1963 Montgomery Wards Sea King Cuddy - Starcraft Chieftain

    You keep refering the motor as an OB is it not a I/O??? a bit confusing The photo tells it all it is a I/O Hope it wasen't in the up position with water left in it . Good luck you should be pleased. What kind of a deal did you get?? or did you???

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    Default Re: 1963 Montgomery Wards Sea King Cuddy - Starcraft Chieftain

    (Pretty sure that there boat is an OB setup my friend)

    Congrats tg!! Hey a Wards labeled Starcraft Chief, very unique indeed! Way to go!

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    Default Re: 1963 Montgomery Wards Sea King Cuddy - Starcraft Chieftain

    What the H was I looking at??? Of course that is a OB. I think I confused it with a 27 ft one listed somewhere on the list. Sorry . O/B prob just needs a new water pump impeller. Thanks for the correction Capt. J

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    Default Re: 1963 Montgomery Wards Sea King Cuddy - Starcraft Chieftain

    Nice rig, welcome to the tin can club

    Those are very rare, and an outboard model makes it even more unique.

    These old metal boats are a pleasure to work on for the most part, check out some restorations for ideas if you are interested. Good luck to ya!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugetsound View Post
    What the H was I looking at??? Of course that is a OB. I think I confused it with a 27 ft one listed somewhere on the list. Sorry . O/B prob just needs a new water pump impeller. Thanks for the correction Capt. J
    I just replaced the COMPLETE pump and body in my 200 Johnson for less than $100

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    Default Re: 1963 Montgomery Wards Sea King Cuddy - Starcraft Chieftain

    Quote Originally Posted by CheapboatKev View Post
    Well WELCOME ABOARD!
    Your comment on the water frozen in the water pump concerns me, but I am not an OB guy..Was this motor out in the elements un winterized?
    I think it was un-winterized. This previous owner has had her for 10 years. He did garage it though. He said all he's ever done to the engine in those ten years was replace the plugs and oil.

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    Default Re: 1963 Montgomery Wards Sea King Cuddy - Starcraft Chieftain

    I don't do squat to winterize my outboard except maybe change the lower unit oil. I wouldn't worry about it. Replace the water pump (which is a good idea on any used outboard).
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    Default Re: 1963 Montgomery Wards Sea King Cuddy - Starcraft Chieftain

    That is great news. Thank you. I little more history on this vessel. Apparently she was a working boat on Lake Superior. Not sure of her job yet but I will do some more research.

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    Default Re: 1963 Montgomery Wards Sea King Cuddy - Starcraft Chieftain

    Quote Originally Posted by tglime View Post
    That is great news. Thank you. I litle more history on this vessel. Apparently she was a working boat on Lake Superior. Not sure of her job yet but I will do some more research.
    That is really cool! You have my attention, I'd love to hear more!

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    Cool find & welcome. I'll be looking forward to seeing how you make out with that outboard and some more photos of your progress as you work on it. Should be a fun boat.
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