1975 1500 Water in Cylinders.... Big prob?

Jhenry72

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Ok. I have been chasing 1 problem after another with this and just when I think I'm ready for the water, BOOM another problem. I started up the engine today (which took awhile) and seem to be a lot of water coming from the 2 exhaust ports behind the middle stripe. I've noticed while watching videos posted on You Tube that others don't have water coming out of these ports. I shut off the engine and removed the spark plugs which are all have a milky oily water on them. Could this just be that I have a bad exhaust manifold gasket or am I looking at Major repairs??? Other than the water coming out of those 2 ports, and the watery plugs, it does seem to run ok... I have replaced the water pump a couple weeks back. Would there be something causing water to be pulled up through the water pump?

:confused:Thank you, as always Very Appreciated!
 

emckelvy

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Re: 1975 1500 Water in Cylinders.... Big prob?

It's normal for water to be forced out the exhaust relief ports, mostly you'll see this if it's running in a barrel or in the water. If running on flushing muffs you usually don't see a lot coming out of there, since there's no backpressure to force the water out with the exhaust. In that case, you'll see water mostly discharging out the center of the prop.

Milky water on all spark plugs is a bad sign and most likely you've got a perforated exhaust baffle plate, bad gaskets, bad/cracked/leaking inner exhaust water jacket, or a combination of those problems.

Best to pull the powerhead 'cause it's really difficult to get at the bottom bolts.

Here are some Very Very good words from Inline Expert Jeff Griggs, on water ingestion and recommended fix, HTH........ed

"One of the major complaints of the post 73 inlines was the leaking side
plate and water ingestion. The side plate has always been made out to be
the culprit but in most cases it isn't so!

There are 3 common ways water gets into the motor. The inner side plate,
the baffle plate, (the middle plate on the side of the block) and the
lower seals.

Probably the most overlooked and most common is the lower seals. To
replace them the block does not have to come apart. The lower end cap
can be removed with a simple pulled. Replace the seals using some
perfect seal around the outside case of the seals and pack grease
between the seals. They must have both lips facing down! Very important.
If the end of the crank is buggered or rusty a speedy sleeve can be
installed. The actual location of the seals can be changed to avoid any
small grooves in the speedy sleeve.

The inner side plate is pretty straight forward. If the plate is old
replace it. If there is a lot of carbon and no sign of water, LEAVE IT
ALONE!. If the plate is relatively new and is leaking it can be
straightened and reused. You can gently straighten it on the edge of a
soft wood table. I recommend replacement in all cases.

Always use a new Mercury gasket, not aftermarket. Clean and retap all
the bolt holes, clean the bolts with a wire wheel on a grinder. Then
clean the bolts with carb or brake cleaner. Do the same with the bolt
holes. Hand clean the gasket surfaces on the block and plate with a
razor blade held at right angles slowly scraping the surface. Wipe clean.

Run a small bead of red high temp RTV sealer on the block. Do not use
any RTV with copper. Lightly smear the sealer to ensure complete
coverage and a thin coating, don't use too much. Put the gasket into
place and do the same with the gasket, so it is coated now on both sides
with RTV. Place the side plate into position. You will notice a couple
bolt holes are elongated and tight. These are used to line up the plate.
Use a drop of red loctite (permanent) on each bolt and finger tighten
them. Once all are installed you can torque the bolts in three even
stages to 200 INCH pounds. Start in the middle and work outward in
clockwise circles. Once torqued leave it for at least 24 hours. Do not
re-check torque!

The third area to check is the baffle plate. this is the middle of the 3
plates on the exhaust side of the motor. Please read the following very
carefully. This plate is quite often the cause of internal leaks!!! Yet
it is never checked, nor is it mentioned in any service manual!

The baffle plate has some zig zag ridges that meet with the
corresponding ridges on the inner plate. These ridges seal and baffle
the exhaust for tuning purposes. With the block on its side and the
inner plate torqued, lay the baffle plate on the block WITHOUT a gasket.
Holding it down in the middle see if it rocks from side to side. If it
does it will leak. Next while holding it down with finger pressure look
into the cavity from the bottom of the block. If you see any light
around the edges, it will leak. If checked with a gasket the thickness
of the gasket may hide the high centering of the plate.

You will need to true the baffle plate. Do not try to true the inner
plate. You can use a large table sander or a file, or any machine shop.
True the ridges of the baffle plate until the plate no longer rocks and
very little or no light is visible around the edges. You may not be able
to get it to the point of no light. Place a very small smear of grease
on the inner plate ridges and place the baffle plate on the block.
Remove the baffle plate and check for the transfer of grease. Keep
filing the baffle until no grease is transferred. What you are doing is
preventing the baffle plate from high centering on the inner plate.

Once the plate is done you can assemble the motor. After dropping in the
pistons and checking the rings, place the baffle plate and exhaust cover
(outer plate) on the block using some RTV as a gasket sealer. (You can
run a very thin bead of red RTV on the baffle ridges as well, although
not necessary for pleasure boating.) A very thin coating will do. Black
or red is acceptable. Torque the bolts to between 150 and 200 inch
pounds in three stages beginning in the middle and working outward. Use
some blue removable loctite on the bolts. Clean the bolts and holes as
you did the inner plate.

This should cure your water ingestion problems.

Jeff Grigg"


p.s. regarding his note about the lower seals, if you were only getting water in the bottom cylinder, I'd say that's a likely problem. However, getting water in all the others is pretty much a sure sign of Bad Things going on in the exhaust passages!
 

Jhenry72

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Re: 1975 1500 Water in Cylinders.... Big prob?

Thanks Ed! I have thought it might have been the exhaust gaskets and actually found them all for about $40! I have been wrenching on older cars my whole life, everything from a 1971 Olds Cutlass, 1972 Buick GS, 1972 Plymouth Satelite(with dual points) to a 1979 Z28 and this Mercury Inline 6 is a totally different world! But, thanks to Everyone for All the Help the past couple of months! I have learned So much!! Thanks Again!! I hope to someday get this Tower of Power back to Life!!
 

Chris1956

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Re: 1975 1500 Water in Cylinders.... Big prob?

The bolts on the inner and outer exhaust covers like to break, rather than be removed. Use some heat and some impact to work 'em loose.
 
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