Mercruiser 260 Closed Cooling Overheats at 3k RPM

jmccaskamite

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Hello,

I need some advice from the iboats community because I am completely stumped!
I have a GM350 / Mercruiser 260, Alpha One, closed cooled system in a 1979 Century 26ft. The exhaust manifolds are the log type with 180 deg exit exhaust elbows. The problem I am having is the engine overheats when run at 3000 RPM or above. It runs at normal operating temp (175-180) at 2800 RPM but will start to overheat when the RPM is raised to 3000 or above. It has maintained it's operating temp at higher RPM until recently. Here is some background to the problem:

Over the summer, everything was operating as it should after I made these changes:
Installed -
New heat exchanger (san juan engineering)
New heat exchanger cap
New thermostat (175 deg)
New temperature sending unit
New freshwater pump
New hoses
New water pump
New valves and guides in the heads and head gaskets

Overall state of motor-
Good compression
Good vacuum
Runs well

The start of the problem:
As of recently, after engine warmed up, it would start to smoke out of the exhaust. The smoke was white and smelled of coolant.
I replaced the exhaust elbow gaskets and reinstalled the elbows. The smoke went away and the new overheating problem started.
I noticed that the elbows were corroded when I had them removed so I removed them again and replaced with new exhaust elbows. I also needed to replace the metal plates that go in between the exhaust gaskets. The new ones from the parts counter looked identical except for a small pin hole that would be covered by the gaskets upon istall. I installed the new parts and I am still having the problem.

I figured that there may be a blockage somewhere so I drained the coolant by opening the petcocks on both sides of the engine block. I was hoping that any debris would find it's way out of the system. Once all of the coolant was drained I proceeded to fill the system with new coolant. I followed the steps to properly refilling in the Mercruiser repair manual on the Boatinfo site. I filled the coolant to where I could see it in the heat exchanger and started the engine. I ran it at a fast idle (1600) and expected the coolant to drop in level as the thermostat opened at operating temp. Before the engine even got to heat up, the coolant was just spilling out of the heat exchanger! I got a large funnel that seals to the heat excahnger filler neck to allow bubbles etc to come out without spilling the coolant and the large funnel fills up with coolant! As soon as I shut it down it slowly starts to return to back in to the system. Does this mean there is a blockage or should I have started the engine first with no coolant and immediately started filling with coolant while running?


Possible contributors to the issue:
I am having engagement issues with the reverse function on the sterndrive simultaneous to this problem. Could this have anything to do with high RPM temp rises?

I hope someone has the patience to read through these steps and offer some advice. I am missing some good fishing days with this problem!!!

Thanks.
 

Lyle29464

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Re: Mercruiser 260 Closed Cooling Overheats at 3k RPM

I would check for head gasket leaks at 3000 rpm. You can borrow the tester at an auto store. With your closed system it works just like a car.

The holes in your new plates may verywell cause you problems soon.
 

kmarine

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Re: Mercruiser 260 Closed Cooling Overheats at 3k RPM

Do you have access to a infared tester. I have also had used temporary clear hose to see how fast your circulation hoses are flowing.
have you checked the heat exchanger for mud or sand blockage? We have a issue with zebra muscles here, but that probably does not apply to salt water.
 

jmccaskamite

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Re: Mercruiser 260 Closed Cooling Overheats at 3k RPM

I would check for head gasket leaks at 3000 rpm. You can borrow the tester at an auto store. With your closed system it works just like a car.

The holes in your new plates may verywell cause you problems soon.


Thanks for the feedback. I will definitely check this. Would you recommend one of the fluid type testers? The type that has a fluid that changes color if un-burnt fuel is present?

To add to the diagnostics, I have done the old time test of looking at the oil and it all seems good.
 

jmccaskamite

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Re: Mercruiser 260 Closed Cooling Overheats at 3k RPM

Do you have access to a infared tester. I have also had used temporary clear hose to see how fast your circulation hoses are flowing.
have you checked the heat exchanger for mud or sand blockage? We have a issue with zebra muscles here, but that probably does not apply to salt water.


Kmarine,

Thanks for the reply. I do have an infrared and unfortunately it is reading the same as my gauge. I like the idea of using the clear hose temporarily. I have not checked the heat exchanger for blockage yet but I am curious now to see what is inside if anything. Sounds like that is the next order of business.
 

FreeBeeTony

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Re: Mercruiser 260 Closed Cooling Overheats at 3k RPM

Was this always a FWC'd engine?
If not it's possible the fresh water side of the H/E is clogged with scale built up in the motor.

Also, do you have a bleeder plug on top of the thermo housing?
You may have an air pocket not allowing the coolant to be filled all the way.
 

tazrig

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Re: Mercruiser 260 Closed Cooling Overheats at 3k RPM

To the original poster. Did you ever get to the bottom of the problem? If so what was it??? I am re-powering and trying to learn all I can about closed cooling to decide whether or not to get it with the new motors. Your response would be really helpful.
 

Speakrdude

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Re: Mercruiser 260 Closed Cooling Overheats at 3k RPM

If your antifreeze expansion tank is filling itself or has bubbles, Head gasket replacements are in order.

You say you replaced "fresh water pump" Impeller in drive? engine mounted? both?

The Power steering cooler (if you have) is the next place that will start collecting debris, then the Heat exchanger. Simply remove the (round, probably) end caps from the Heat exchanger and you will see.

However, with a '79 vintage, the hose in the gimble, surley is deteriorated by now. Sounds like a good winter project. Start from the drive, work your way forward.

Let us know what you find.
 

achris

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Re: Mercruiser 260 Closed Cooling Overheats at 3k RPM

To the original poster. Did you ever get to the bottom of the problem? If so what was it??? I am re-powering and trying to learn all I can about closed cooling to decide whether or not to get it with the new motors. Your response would be really helpful.

If the engines are new and never been run in salt water, I would put closed cooling on... in a flash! I had it on my old engine (1994, 4.3LX) from day one, and it saved me a lot of money, and made diagnostics easy. If the water pump ever goes, you don't need a 'marine' pump, just get a standard automotive one and swap the SS back plate, and you're good to go. The heads, block and exhaust manifolds last forever, and the only maintenance is to pull the heat exchanger off every 2 or 3 years and have a radiator shop clean it out....

When I changed engine in 2006 I opted not to put closed cooling on (Merc Australia wanted more than $4,000 for it!!!)... I seriously regret that decision now.... When I change out this engine, the first thing that goes on the new one will be closed cooling, regardless of the cost..

FWIW,

Chris.....
 

Don S

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Re: Mercruiser 260 Closed Cooling Overheats at 3k RPM

Guys, the OP hasn't even come back to visit the forums since his last post November 18th.
 
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