First Time Boat Owner/Crazy Person Questions

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Hello. I recently purchased my first-ever boat, at what I thought was a bargain price, on Craigslist. I see from the reading I've been doing here that this is common, and what has happened since--a list of pressing problems that gets longer every time I look someplace new--is also common. Since my stubbornness is bigger than my common sense, I will probably try to fix all the stuff that's wrong and I am humbly asking for some guidance, since I've never done this before and am hoping to not make anything worse than it already is.

It's a 1978 27-foot Sport Craft C-Eagle. It has a cuddy with only a v-berth (no head, no kitchen, no other stuff). I believe it's had two owners. The original owner (OO) bought it new, and over the years did less as he and the boat got older. Finally (circa 2010-2011) he could not use the boat any longer and sold it (very) cheap to the guy I bought it from (SO), who I suspect thought he could fix a couple of easy things and fish on it for a season. He did, and sold it (very very) cheap to me (dummy or TO, whichever you'd prefer), who thinks I can fix a bunch of stuff and use it for a first boat for me and the family, which includes two kids (6 and 9) who love to fish.

The engine is old, but starts right up and runs and doesn't quit. I'm hoping it will last next season, and then I will figure out what to do about a replacement. But for the other stuff:

1. The cuddy's floor is the bare fiberglass, which has been painted a few times, which leads me to believe it's been bare (not carpeted) for a while. Way up at the notch of the V-bunk, there is a 3 inch gap in the floor. It is part of the channel under the floor and leads eventually back to the engine compartment via a 4-inch square cut into the bottom of the engine compartment wall. The channel under the cuddy floor can also be accessed by a 3-inch hole (about midway through cuddy) and a small (3/4 inc) hole (just as you step from cockpit into cuddy), and I would like to seal up the gap at the notch of the v-bunk, as a)I can't figure out what function it could possibly serve since I can get into channel other ways if I need to and b) I'd like to lay carpeting on the cuddy floor so as to make it more pleasant to be in for the kids, and if the boat rocks forward, water sloshes up from that notch and would saturate the carpet. Can anyone see a problem with my closing this up?

2. One of the previous owners removed the engine temp gauge wire. The mechanic who came over to winterize the engine and show me how to do it said that I could just run a wire from the little screw on the engine back behind the dashboard to the temp gauge display. That seemed so easy to me that I figured I must have gotten it wrong (because nothing on this boat seems easy, see below). Is that all there is to it?

3. The deck is pretty much shot, and so are the supports under it. The stringers are fine. I tracked down someone who seemed to know a thing or two about older Sport Crafts, and he said that the original boat did NOT have vertical supports under the deck (I don't know what they're called on a boat; in house-building they're joists), so at some point (my guess is--later in OO's ownership) someone stuck 'em in there because the deck was sagging, and didn't glass them, so now they're rotten as a month-old banana. So the big project I need to do before spring boat season is to rip up the deck and replace it. But that's another post, for another time.

4. When I hook up something that needs to be hard wired, How do I do it? If it has a positive and negative wire, how do I hook those up? Can I connect them to something else that is currently hardwired (like a light or a pump), or do I need to run the new thing directly to the battery, and if so, do I just connect the positive and negative hard wire to the positive and negative battery terminals? Sorry for the basic-ness of this question, but I just plain don't know and don't want to muck it up.

5. Can I hook up more than one bilge pump to an exit port, or will that cause backwashing of one flow into the other hose, if pump #2 isn't on when #1 is?

I have enough problems for at least a dozen more questions, but I will start with these. Can anyone help? I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks.

DJ in NY
 

Pmccraney

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Re: First Time Boat Owner/Crazy Person Questions

DJ:

Welcome aboard! The iboats dry dock is a great place to 'live and learn." Lot going on with this rig, but I have a few seconds of down time at work, so I'll take a stab at some of your ?s.

First, we like pics..., so show us what you got so we can ooh and ahh over it...

Second, I don't want this to sound negative, but its a fair question to start with. A 27' fiberglass boat is a big undertaking for a first boat restore project. I now you got into it cheap, but just keep in mind that both restore difficulty and expense are directly proportionate to the size of the boat (more materials, etc...). Depending on how much work this thing needs, you may have to commit a decent-sized budget to a rig that size. You also have to consider shop space, use of dangerous chemicals around little ones, etc...

Item No. 1 - Pics might help to visualize what you are seeing here... sounds like its just a drain channel from the cuddy back to the bilge....

Item No 2. I am a a complete electrical novice, but yes, its just about that easy.. You just run a sending wire from the little screw on the T-Stat up to your temp gauge. However, this is just the sending wire. To read properly, the gauge will also need +12V (positive) usually coming over from the ignition and ground (which it should already have its daisy chained in there with the other gauges)...

Item No. 3. Little confused... Stringers and vertical supports are basically the same thing... You mentioned vertical supports are shot but stringers are fine...? Stringers generally refer to the longitudinal supports that run under the deck.. Pics may help here...

Item No. 4. You may want to post some of your electrical questions over in the electrical forum. When you say "hard wired" everything on a boat is wired to the battery - directly (at the terminals) or indirectly (via a common bus bar or fuse panel)... Some circuits are "switched" (e.g. like lights) such that when you flip the switch you close or open the circuit... Some circuits are not switched (e.g. the stereo, bilge float switch, etc...). Again, I am not an electrical guy at all, but I would not splice into another circuit unless you you know everything on the circuit and have run the numbers (Based on what little I know, I think a lot of things come into play like voltage drop, total amp draw, size of wires for the run, size of fuses, etc..)... You could overload that circuit and be constantly blowing fuses, or melting wires, or worse... You can hook new loads (appliances) directly to the battery, but since there is only so much room on the battery terminals, you run a dedicated circuit through a bus bar or fuse panel that itself is connected to the battery.

5. I imagine you could do this. Each pump is going to have its own fitting for the exit hose. I imagine you could run them both into a common joint and then have a common exit hose (though-hull fitting) from there, but honestly I don't know... I'm sure its been done.

Hope this helps somewhat.

~pmc
 

chconger

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Re: First Time Boat Owner/Crazy Person Questions

Welcome to Boating!! (Or welcome to fixing boats up, anyway)

Regarding electrical; Most things need to be fused, and in most cases switched. Best to clarify exactly what you want to add and then we can help there.

If you want to add a second pump, and "Y" it to an existing one, I would expect they will spill into each other. The only way to stop that is to add a back flow preventer (one way valve) in both pumps hoses. Probably cheaper to drill a second exit hole and add a second fitting on your hull. Better to start by finding out why this boats need so many pumps. The only problem with the Titanic was that it did not have enough pumps.

Now you say the the stringers are fine. In a power boat the stringers run from the stern forward and support the decking. How do you know the wood in the stringers is not rotted?

While your exploring, you may want to take a small screwdriver and see if you can poke it into your transom on the inside. If you can...its probably rotted as well.

Have fun.....because repairing the beast is a hobby too.

Chris
 
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Re: First Time Boat Owner/Crazy Person Questions

IMG_7471.jpgHello.

Thanks for the reply. Below is a picture of the Sportcraft. I know 27 feet is a little big for a first time project but I live near Montauk NY and spend a lot of time fishing there, and anything smaller would be tossed around and therefore no fun to fish on without a padded suit.

I also realize i might have chosen better than this rig but as I said, I'm stubborn, so here I am figuring out how to fix it.

I drilled into the stringers in a couple of places and they are dry. That's about the only really positive thing so far, so I'm repeating that to myself over and over as I grit my teeth about the rest.

My boat has three levels of deck. The cuddy is the lowest and is pretty much bare fiberglass. The cockpit in about 8 inches up and has the captain's/admiral's seats. Then there's the stern (fishing) deck, which is about 8 inches higher than the cockpit. I have had my head in the stern-most hatches and the stringers are not wide enough for the deck to rest directly on, so there are these vertical supports (I call them joists) that seem to be holding up the deck. And boy are they rotten, at least the two I saw. I have not begun ripping up the deck, so I don't know what other nifty surprises there might be.

I don't have a picture of the three-level deck situation, but it's pretty identical to this boat:

27 foot Sportcraft for sale
 

jigngrub

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Re: First Time Boat Owner/Crazy Person Questions

If the deck(s) are shot, they need to be removed and replaced.

I'm certain you'll find more horrors when you remove the deck(s), your boat is rotting, rotted, and rotten.

While you have the deck removed core sample your transom down low and your motor mount stringers. A boat as you describe your will have the most rot in the aft section under the deck.

While you're reading this forum, start dismantling your boat... starting with everything that sits on the deck and then the deck.

The practice of using a boat "as is" for a season and then figuring out what to do with it is an unsafe one. From the way you describe your boat, I wouldn't even take my adult friends out on it... let alone my wife and 2 small children.
 

GT1000000

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Hi and welcome to the dry dock DJ in NY,

I have read through both of the threads you have started...

First off, keep everything related to this boat in one thread, it makes it easier for all of us to follow along and help you out...

Second, congratulations on getting a new to you first time boat...

Third, I can tell already that you are suffering from the same disease that has afflicted most of us here at the dry dock...newboatitus denialus rottenus...

Let me explain...when we get our fist boat, we know pretty much nothing about them and think that a little sprucing up and all will be well with our acquisition...however, boats are similar to airplanes, if they are not religiously maintained and kept they tend to have many problems which you do not want to have them rear their ugly heads out on the water, especially if it is much deeper than you can wade in...also, just like an airplane, you can't just pull over and wait for assistance...

All that being said, I hope that I am completely wrong and that your boat is as solid and sound as the day it rolled out of the factory...
But, as I see here time and time again, the age of the boat and the things you are describing, require that you do a thorough and honest inspection of EVERYTHING that makes up his boat, not only for your safety, but the safety of your Family and friends...

You need to heed the advice of the members and check carefully for rot at the lowermost and rearmost areas under the deck...you need to do core samples down/back in those areas...

You need to get yourself a free photobucket account, load your pictures there, then using the IMG tag, post them here so the members can see what you see and help you out the best way possible...

We will be here to help you out with any information you will need to properly restore this boat to better than new condition, if that is what you decide to do...

Best of Luck and Have Fun!
GT1M
 

Alwhite00

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Just latching on to see the outcome, Good luck with your project.

LK
 

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W/ both GT & Jig

And am somewhat surprised that the mushroom didn't feature in your description above :confused:

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Guys like GT, Jig & others will help you get it put back together and back on the water better then it left the factory...
 
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Re: First Time Boat Owner/Crazy Person Questions

DJ:

Welcome aboard! The iboats dry dock is a great place to 'live and learn." Lot going on with this rig, but I have a few seconds of down time at work, so I'll take a stab at some of your ?s.

First, we like pics..., so show us what you got so we can ooh and ahh.

~pmc

Hey there.

Thanks for the reply. I'm typing this on my phone and am hoping I can upload photos.image.jpgimage.jpgimage.jpgimage.jpg

I hope I did that correctly. It does seem to be a drainage channel. I don't know why, though, it would be open at the end like that. I would really like to close it up; can you think of any purpose it can serve?

Thanks.

DJ in NY
 

MH Hawker

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Well these guys can sure help you sort out any problem you will run into. But I do have a sort of a question and a comment. From what little I know of this wouldn't the very first step be to make sure the deck and transom are solid before moving on to other things that would have to be taken apart later. My reason for asking is if it has cross members instead of the standard stringer set up wouldn't that suggest the deck is in sad need of repair of replacement.
 

GT1000000

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It does seem to be a drainage channel. I don't know why, though, it would be open at the end like that. I would really like to close it up; can you think of any purpose it can serve?

Thanks.

DJ in NY

Three things,

One, if it is a drainage channel, that is exactly what you don't want to do...if it is working properly, that is...it keeps water from accumulating and causing the very problems you don't want...namely ROT...

Two, check and see if it is draining properly to the bilge by pouring water in it, if it drains all the way to bilge, and the bilge pump can get rid of it, GREAT!...if not, you have to find the blockage and clear it...also, if it has been plugged for some time before you owned the boat, that would definitely sound an alarm, otherwise you should be good...

Three, I am not sure what you meant by "open at the end"...?

Best of luck...
GT1M
 
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Re: First Time Boat Owner/Crazy Person Questions

Of the four pictures I posted, the first shows the length of the cuddy floor as I'm standing just outside the cuddy compartment looking in. In that first photo, you can see the small (3/4 inch or so) hole closest to the door of the cuddy. Then a small (4 inches or so) plate on the floor, under which is a 4 inch access hole to the channel. It's the farthest part if the cuddy floor that's the weird part. There is a 4 or so inch gap in the floor, at the end of this under-the-cuddy-floor drainage channel, and this gap goes nowhere. It just ends at the little back wood panel of the cuddy platform.

The channel is accessible by the 4 inch hole halfway back. If the boat tips forward enough, water can slosh up through that gap. There will be carpeting on that floor and it will be saturated by the sloshing.

The gap serves no purpose. The only way water would enter that gap is if it was gushing down the walls of the cuddy, in which case I won't be needing that drainage channel anyway. :eek:

Has anyone ever seen this open-ended channel before?

Thanks.

DJ
 
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