what grade gas to get?

bandit86

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its an 87 omc 5.7, I have no idea what compression it has, what grade gas does it need? Reguloar, premium, sunoco ultra?
 

Mile-High Mariner

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Re: what grade gas to get?

Guys, keep in mind that Bandit is quoting $1.11 PER LITER before you go getting all excited. That equates to ~$4.50 per gallon for us. :p <br /><br />And, Bandit - it's more important to make sure your mixture and timing are set properly than to fill your tank with high-octane gas. Marine motors are based on automotive and industrial motors, which do NOT routinely use premium fuel. The reason that premium fuel is advocated for marine use is that the typical boat sits idle for long periods between uses; octane degrades gradually over time such that the 93 RON unleaded you put in the tank three months ago is only worth about 89 now, and will be down to 87 or 85 in another month or two. Adding fuel stabilizer will slow down the octane reduction process, but it's a better idea to just put in what you're going to use and try to use the boat more often. It's more fun, anyway! :)
 

jlinder

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Re: what grade gas to get?

Mile High -<br /><br />I did not realize that gas loses octane as it sits. I have been using regular since my engine is timed for regular and that is the octane reccomended. (I have a 1988 OMC 5.0L Cobra and I see you have the 1987).<br /><br />I am of the belief that the engine runs best on the octane it is set up for - higher octane will burn slower and give less performance. I also understand that I have a lot to learn.<br /><br />What do you see with the higher octane in your engine?
 

Almeja

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Re: what grade gas to get?

Higher octane = higher btu/volume in the fuel = a bit more power. In addition, the slower burn rate gives it less tendency to detonate. (ping)<br /><br />If your engine is not pinging under load (actually a rattling noise) a higher octane fuel probably won't give you significantly more power/fuel economy unless you tune the engine to take advantage of it.<br /><br />Notable exception to the above is when operating at high altitude and high air temperatures. Higher octane can help the engine quite a bit under those conditions. <br /><br />All that said, the only way you know for sure how your engine responds to premium fuel grades is to give it a try. Different engine designs seem to have their own preferences.
 

Fishermark

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Re: what grade gas to get?

Like Almeja says, "the only way you know for sure how your engine responds to premium fuel grades is to give it a try." <br /><br />The only thing I would change to that statement is I would try regular first. If it runs good on regular, then great! My boat (2003 Mercruiser 5.7 liter) runs just fine on regular. No sense in putting in the higher octane fuels if regular works. (You can buy a can of octane booster to keep handy if it knocks or pings on the regular - keeps problems away till you can put in higher octane fuel).
 

Mile-High Mariner

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Re: what grade gas to get?

Jack, et al. - I DON'T use higher octane gas in my engine. Despite what Almeja maintains, higher octane is not of any real benefit at higher altitudes - it's more a function of lower humidity that calls for higher octane - that's why you find gas ranging from 87-93 octane at low-alt gas stations and only 85-91 at high-alt stations. Besides, properly timed, higher octane gas only gives a performance advantage in motors equipped with knock sensors.<br /><br />Here's a blurb from a major petroleum company, appropriately edited for us boaters:<br /><br />Your boat's octane requirements are mainly determined by its basic design. In addition, variations in engines due to manufacturing tolerances can cause motors of the same model to require a different octane of several numbers. Also, as a new boat is driven, its octane requirement can increase because of the buildup of combustion chamber deposits. This continues until a stable level is reached. The stabilized octane requirement may be higher than when the boat was new. Premium or midgrade fuel may be advisable to prevent knock.<br /><br />Other factors also influence your motor's knocking characteristics: <br /><br />Temperature - Generally, the hotter the ambient air and engine coolant, the greater the octane requirement.<br /><br />Altitude - The higher the altitude above sea level, the lower the octane requirement. Modern computer-controlled engines adjust spark timing and air-fuel ratio to compensate for changes in barometric pressure, and thus the effect of altitude on octane requirement is smaller in these vehicles.<br /><br />Humidity - The drier the air, the greater the octane requirement. The recommendations that vehicle manufacturers give are for normal- to low-humidity levels.<br /><br />Your engine's spark timing - The octane requirement increases as the spark timing is advanced. Both the basic setting of the spark timing and the operation of the automatic spark advance mechanisms are important in controlling knock. In some computer controlled engines, the spark timing can only be changed by replacing modules in the computer. If they are equipped with knock sensors, these computer controlled engines have the ability to retard the ignition temporarily when a sensor detects knock. This temporarily reduces the octane requirement and may also temporarily reduce vehicle performance.<br /><br />Method of operation- Rapid acceleration and heavy loading, such as pulling a skier or running against a current may result in a greater octane requirement. Stop-and-go operation and excessive idling can increase octane requirements by causing the buildup of combustion chamber deposits.<br /><br />Hope this helps - keep your timing in check and your mixture and idle speed adjusted correctly and you should avoid trouble with combustion chamber deposits (carbon). I hydrodecarbonize my motor regularly to prevent such buildup - I'll tell you how if you're interested.
 

Almeja

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Re: what grade gas to get?

Mile high, you are absolutely correct for your elevation. You can't get enough charge density to burn your fuel properly. I need to clarify my remarks as they are based on a different definition of operating at 'elevation'. <br /><br />My experience boating at 'altitude' means my summer lake, which is at 2,300 ft. At that elevation, higher octane fuel still does make a difference in performance... depending on usage... depending on boat. <br /><br />Most of the wakeboard boats, water toy fans and skiers will all be seen fueling up with higher octane gas for playtime. Running around the lake? Heck, regular is just fine. <br /><br />You can also find different boats at different fuel pumps based on engine size. Most of the guys with big V-8's don't bother with premium unless they have modified engines (which are getting rare these days). Those of us with 4's and some stock V-6 engines will often be found at the higher octane pumps. <br /><br />Computerized injection and ignition controls? Yeah, premium not going to do you much good as your engine is being dynamically tuned. <br />Side comment: I have no idea why carburated boats (like mine) are still being produced in this day and age.<br /><br />Given the price of fuel (it was $3.50 up there LAST year) I'll topping up with either regular or higher octane depending on what the planned activity is for the day. <br /><br />This year, I'm also down-propping from a 21" to a 19" wheel... partially in hopes of being able to run regular fuel all the time.<br /><br />Either way, premium or regular, it hurts at the pump. Thats when I'm really glad I have a 3.0, despite its limitations. Last year, the big wakeboard boats were taking on $150 worth of fuel at a pop. I was getting by with a $50 bill for the same playtime. This year it will be worse.
 

Mile-High Mariner

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Re: what grade gas to get?

Almeja - I agree with you regarding the moderate elevation at your lake. Want to kick it up a notch? My OTHER nautical craft is exposed to elevations in excess of 10,000 feet, and uses 100 octane low-lead to make its power, and that with a turbonormalized intake setup. You want to wonder why marine engines still have carbs? Aircraft engines are even farther behind the curve in their design, only recently acquiring fuel injection and other more modern equipment.<br /><br />In addition to wondering why marine engines are still carb'd, I wonder why the power-to-weight ratios are so low, as are the power-to-displacement ratios. Dodge's new Caliber, which replaces the Neon as their entry-level machine, has 3 different 4-cylinder options, ranging from 148 to 154 to 172 hp. The engines displace 1.8L, 2.0L and 2.4L, respectively. Remarkable - an engine just over HALF the size of mine puts out 30% more horsepower!!!
 
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