1999 Merc Promax 200XL EFI -no spark on 1 side for all 3 cylinders

allyrunner

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Lost spark on one side for all 3 cylinders...
It aligns with the bottom power pack.
I have cleaned all grounds at the power pack, so unfortunately its not that.
I am wondering about the stator or power pack, but not sure how
to check.
Also ,wondering what lead is the power lead for the bottom pack as well.
Any thoughts or ideas welcome...
thx
 

1nebel0

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Re: 1999 Merc Promax 200XL EFI -no spark on 1 side for all 3 cylinders

Classic power pack problem...should be replaced in pairs..Mallory best deal going and they are made in Germany....half the price of Merc!
 

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Re: 1999 Merc Promax 200XL EFI -no spark on 1 side for all 3 cylinders

With NO RETURN on electrical parts you want to be SURE of any diagnosis before ordering any expensive NONE RETURNABLE parts.

Some motors kill spark on one bank for shifting, so you need to follow the troubleshooting directions of the CDI Guide or the factory service manual.

Once you find the fault, double check your work, retest again to positively PROVE the fault.

With all that out of the way, disconnect all Bias wires from both switchboxes and retest for spark on ALL cyls. If you now have spark everywhere then you have a bad Bias circuit on the box that was always sparking, causing the other box to hold-fire. If this proves to be then the factory recommends replacing the boxes as a pair. Side note; mark the Bad Bias box, both boxes will work perfectly fine on any of the 3 cyl motors as they do not use the Bias circuit.
 

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Re: 1999 Merc Promax 200XL EFI -no spark on 1 side for all 3 cylinders

thanks for all input......
checked out link and it identifies how to check the pack and stator...
so will check on that, but
I am not sure which are the wires for the bias circuit?

I also read that the idle stabilizer could also be a problem....

I couldn't find anything on killing the spark for shifting....
The serial number starts with OT100.
thx
 

allyrunner

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Re: 1999 Merc Promax 200XL EFI -no spark on 1 side for all 3 cylinders

How important is the idle stabilizer ?
I just noticed that the wires are connected on the switch box, but
they are not connected to anything.
Red/white and white/black are not connected to anything....

I have had this motor/boat for 4 years without any problems or service,
so its been running fine without it.....
 

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Re: 1999 Merc Promax 200XL EFI -no spark on 1 side for all 3 cylinders

With NO RETURN on electrical parts you want to be SURE of any diagnosis before ordering any expensive NONE RETURNABLE parts.

Some motors kill spark on one bank for shifting, so you need to follow the troubleshooting directions of the CDI Guide or the factory service manual.

Once you find the fault, double check your work, retest again to positively PROVE the fault.

With all that out of the way, disconnect all Bias wires from both switchboxes and retest for spark on ALL cyls. If you now have spark everywhere then you have a bad Bias circuit on the box that was always sparking, causing the other box to hold-fire. If this proves to be then the factory recommends replacing the boxes as a pair. Side note; mark the Bad Bias box, both boxes will work perfectly fine on any of the 3 cyl motors as they do not use the Bias circuit.


I removed the white/black bias lead from the switchbox, but still not spark on all 3 cylinders, same side.
I also check the ohm reading from the terminal for white/black with lead removed and to ground and got 14000 ohms set on the 1K scale. (14x1000=14000) I got the same reading for both packs, but the manual says they should be 1300-1500 ohms...
Is this pointing to the problem with the switch boxes or a misprint on the numbers....?

I took ohm readings for the stator leads and they all fell within range.
Between BLUE and RED Stator Leads - 3500-4200 ohms at - R x 1000
Between BLUE/WHITE and RED/WHITE Stator Leads- 3500-4200 ohms at- R x 1000
Between RED Stator Lead and BLACK Stator Lead - 90-140 ohms at- R x 1
Between RED/WHITE Stator Lead and BLACK Stator Lead - 90-140 ohms at - R x 1

any thoughts welcome...
thx
 

CharlieB

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Re: 1999 Merc Promax 200XL EFI -no spark on 1 side for all 3 cylinders

Leave the ALL Bias wires off for spark testing,

Now switch the blue and red stator wires between the two switchboxes and retest for spark, if spark switches sides then this proves the stator is bad.

The stator is actually two separate generators for the ignition, and a third for battery charging. Ohms testing is only a guide and can falsely lead you to continue looking elsewhere. DVA testing is a much more reliable indicator of a circuit as it includes a measured load which forces the circuit to carry a current. A circuit with a broken yet abutted wire can still generate a voltage potential yet fail as soon as any current is required.
 

allyrunner

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Re: 1999 Merc Promax 200XL EFI -no spark on 1 side for all 3 cylinders

Leave the ALL Bias wires off for spark testing,

Now switch the blue and red stator wires between the two switchboxes and retest for spark, if spark switches sides then this proves the stator is bad.

The stator is actually two separate generators for the ignition, and a third for battery charging. Ohms testing is only a guide and can falsely lead you to continue looking elsewhere. DVA testing is a much more reliable indicator of a circuit as it includes a measured load which forces the circuit to carry a current. A circuit with a broken yet abutted wire can still generate a voltage potential yet fail as soon as any current is required.


I tried the swap on stator leads and the problem didn't move, but
I swapped out the switch boxes and the problem did move to the other bank of cylinders.
I hope it is safe to assume the switch box is the problem...
thank you for your help...
 
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