I think I toasted a new rebuild

Speakrdude

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Where do I start. (the timeline for all of below is 20 hours on engine)

Engine info: 1990 Merc 5.7L, had cracked everything when I bought. Shop repalced heads, block, long block (typical marine)rebuild. I install Seakamp (half cooled) cooling system.


In the beginning, I had a fresh new rebuild, new mans, water pump, fuel pump, everything. Then, we noticed the dribbling fuel from the venturies, causing a hard warm start. (seemed to be flooded)
But ran OK. Rebuild carb twice, every trick in the book. Same thing, but seems to idle good and be pretty crisp.

Was at that time, I checked a vaccuum gauge, a little at 12~15 in, but farily aggressive RV could cause this, so I'm told.

A couple of engine hours later, I noticed there is quite a bite of tapping noise coming from the rockers. Removed covers, sure enough, there were several loose rocker arms. (Did the reman shop not do a thorough job?) Shop said the rocker studs are pressed in and could be coming loose or nuts are going bad?
Took all back to -0- lash and tightened half a turn (by-the-book)
Sounds great now! (Runs OK)

LAst week, Sold boat. Delivered to the customer. While I was out of no wake area of the marina and by myself, took her up on plane, 4400RPMS, Denotation! Engine dies.
Tried to start, only running down #1 battery. Opened hatch, looked down carb throat, getting gas, good. Must have been trash in the tank and now in the fuel filter. Switched over to #2 battery, holding throttle wide open because by now, is flooded. Starts up! Idle back to dock. Tell customer about the stall and change fuel filter/seperator and check things over for his next outting.

Hear from the customers first outting, (he just fast idles around the lake a little) that all is well, still kind of hard to start when warm and idle seems a little low. (dies when manuevering foward to reverse into slip)
No problem, I run up to slip the next couple of days, increase nuetral RPMS to 850, in gear solid 650) check timing, all good. Engine sounds great, life is good. However, I did notice the coolant expansion tank is almost full and a little bit of spill over in the bilge! (full cold should be about 25% full)
I checked the heat excahnger and it is low. I poured some of the coolant back into tank, really puzzled.

Customer now ready for his Saturday out on the water with the kids.
Saturday afternoon rolls around, and you guessed it, customer calls and is stranded down lake, engine wont catch. It almost does but wont quite. I instruck (again) the flooded starting proceedure. Still no go.
Off to the rescue I go.
I reach the clients boat at almost sunset and sure enough, wont quite start. Almost but not quite. I notice the expansion tank is full again with a little spillage. Hmmm.
Also, when I crank over the boat to try start, I am seeing, what looks like steam, coming out of the port side rocker cover vent tube on every strock of of the engine!
I toe them back in.

My next course of action is a compression test, Tuesday. That is where the beginning of the trouble shooting process begins.

I am guessing, I have a hole in a piston (or worse), causing the blowby and no start condition, but wont know till I begin the investigation. Lots of possibilities I suppose.
Any thoughts?
 

Speakrdude

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Re: I think I toasted a new rebuild

A couple of things with the above:
Yes I was very carefull to properly break in with zinc additive per the shops instructions.
When I checked vaccuum, I checked everywhere for vaccuum leaks. None found.
 

26aftcab454

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Re: I think I toasted a new rebuild

you may have water in the cyl and blown out a cyl wall.
 

riptorn

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Re: I think I toasted a new rebuild

WoW. What? Is this a 25 ft cabin?
Please elaborate.


Ranger Bass Boat, Maxum SR1750, Bayliner 2750?
 

riptorn

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Re: I think I toasted a new rebuild

New rebuilds needs to run at normal temp for a while to get the oil circulating throughout the engine, and another oil change after to flush out debris. you must know.
 

Leedanger

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Re: I think I toasted a new rebuild

sounds to me like you still are having carb issues is all. Just because it was rebuilt, doesn't mean it was done right. Even new carbs (as I have just recently experienced) can have some pretty major problems. I would investigate there a little further.
 

Speakrdude

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Re: I think I toasted a new rebuild

Was absolutey broken in very carefully, by myself. Primed oil pump first with power drill, old dizzy set up, changed "break in" oil at 20 hours. Have only a couple of hours on new oil. Quadrajet was rebuilt by myself and then by my resident Quadrajet expert.

But I suspect something still a muss in the carb so I ordered a new Edlebrock 1409 to replace the Quadra jet, but I believe internal engine damage has been done. Carb doesnt explain coolant over-filling problem or blowby issue. But a compression test will tell me. Then I can go from there.
 

John_S

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Re: I think I toasted a new rebuild

If the new carb still dribbles, check the fuel pressure. Sounds like the pressure is too high.

But, as you said, you have other problems, and compression and leak-down are the right first tests.
 

Speakrdude

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Re: I think I toasted a new rebuild

Winner winner! Chicken Dinner!
Both head gaskets, #6 intake valve bent (prob due to water ingestion)
All repaired by shop today. ($550.00 later)
However.........
Something came to my attention today when we put the boat back in the water at the customers slip. (seperate issue from dribbling fuel at idle)
While at the shop today, on the muffs, risers stayed nice and cool. (half closed cooling system) at the lake running at 2500 Rpms or less, most of the time, Risers are hot to the touch. Temp gauge still around thermostat range, 180ish. If I try to get boat up on plane, anything above 3000 rpms, detonation! (lots of pings) so I quit, for now. Timing is dead on spec, and didnt really want to retard much, making it harding to start.
Replaced impeller and assembly last fall.
Any Ideas?
 

Don S

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Re: I think I toasted a new rebuild

I would sure either buy or make a piston stop, then verify TDC on #1 is also zero degrees on the harmonic balancer and the rocking valves on #6.

Can you post an overall picture of your cooling system, hose routing, thermostat housing etc. The problem sounds familiar to me, just can't place it right now.
 

Speakrdude

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Re: I think I toasted a new rebuild

I understood most of that until you got to the part of "and the rocking valves on #6".

I should have the shop do this as they are responsible for the rebuild....again...
 

Don S

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Re: I think I toasted a new rebuild

As #1 crosses 0?, the exhaust the valves on #6 has one opening, and one closing. They are probably fine since it runs ok at idle.

I also edited my other reply with a request for cooling system pix.
 

Speakrdude

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Re: I think I toasted a new rebuild

And it does idle, wonderfully, even with the rich condition.
 
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