Ugghh... Milky oil.. '02 3.0L Roast me OK>..

iamgman

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OK, I did not winterize my motor. Lets just say I know better but have been distracted this winter... and we did have a couple light freezes this winter in the Sacramento valley this winter.. but not that cold?? we thought.. anyway. I do a plug n cap/rotor change, and warm the oil to pump it out. The engine ran perfect. I notice the oil is coming out milky from the electric walmart pump and freak. I pull the dipstick again... and it is clear oil! This is after running it a good 10 minutes to warm. OK, I feel better. I really thought I had a vacuume leak and the oil was aeriated. I suck all the milk out and then pull the oil filter.. it is full of milky oil. Damn.. I do not know why the oil on the dipstick was clear.. but this all leads to a internal crack. I also noticed the water coming out of the drive with the hose attached was rusty for a looong time. I thought it was rusty manifolds... now thinking oil was coming out of exhaust?? So.. I know the oil was clear on the dipstick after I warmed the motor. And the exhaust water was dirty. I am perplexed.. So...my question is if anyone can help me.. if indeed I did have a freeze crack, how can oil exit my exhaust... and enter my block? What can I check first before I pull the motor>>?? No sign of water leaking externally. This motor is in a pontoon boat... like 6 feet off the ground on a trailer. So no easy task getting the motor out. Think back hoe? Any help in what I can check while the motor is in the boat before..before.. I go to the trouble of pulling the motor. I have rebuilt several motors, but never had one freeeze. Oh yea... I did also forget to take the bilge plug out. the water went up from rain about 10". Not high enough to reach starter or alternator.. thats what started by freak on first....whew...but not really once I dug... can water make it to the oil by the exhaust gaskets? Is it possible for a head gasket to go bad from a freeze? These are the easy fixes I am thinking minus pulling the motor out.. uggghh
 

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Re: Ugghh... Milky oil.. '02 3.0L Roast me OK>..

The 3L crack along the head bolts. Not really in any consistant direction. And they don't always crack to the outside of block.
I'm not getting what the "oil exiting with the exhaust" is all about. Are you sure it's not carbon from that engine running FAT when warming up?
Get a few cheap oil filters, and any oil on sale. Get & keep the original filter off. Disconnect the incoming water hose at the thermostat hsg. Route that water to the bilge with plug out. Put 3.5-4 qts of oil in motor. With new filter. Run with water flowing into bilge not the engine. About 1 minute @ 1000-1200rpm. Pull the filter. Repeat until filter is solid oil. Then reconnect hose to thermostat hsg. Start engine again & see what happens! If oil stays clear, change it w/ recommended viscosity & new filter. If you get water again, hire the back hoe.
 

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Re: Ugghh... Milky oil.. '02 3.0L Roast me OK>..

Get a few cheap oil filters, and any oil on sale. Get & keep the original filter off. Disconnect the incoming water hose at the thermostat hsg. Route that water to the bilge with plug out. Put 3.5-4 qts of oil in motor. With new filter. Run with water flowing into bilge not the engine. About 1 minute @ 1000-1200rpm. Pull the filter. Repeat until filter is solid oil. Then reconnect hose to thermostat hsg. Start engine again & see what happens! If oil stays clear, change it w/ recommended viscosity & new filter. If you get water again, hire the back hoe.

Waste of time and money.
Fill the crankcase with recommended oil and install oil filter. Take the boat out, run until operating temperature is reached. Inspect the dipstick. If the stick reads over full, water is entering the engine, if not, operating temperature will evaporate any water left in the system, as long as the cooling system is operating as designed.
 

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Re: Ugghh... Milky oil.. '02 3.0L Roast me OK>..

Well that was way to long to read so I have just one word for you,

Condensation.
 

iamgman

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Re: Ugghh... Milky oil.. '02 3.0L Roast me OK>..

LOL.. thanks biffle. Yep, I get wordy. I hope you are right. I will try the oil change tonight and report back. Thanks for the help guys. I did notice some rust on a couple spark plugs. Must have been those cyl with open exhaust valves.
 

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Re: Ugghh... Milky oil.. '02 3.0L Roast me OK>..

You say you live in Sacramento, In southern Ohio it gets cold in the winter and when it freezes it freezes for days on end. Not sure what your weather is like there but it would take days on end at freezeing temps to expand water to crack your motor, Could be, but im thinking on the positive.

You not pulling the drain plug would cause your issues.

Good luck hope it works out for the best !
 

iamgman

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Re: Ugghh... Milky oil.. '02 3.0L Roast me OK>..

It went below freezing a couple times this winter here, just that cold at night. Enough to freeze puddles, but not enough to freeze a milk jug of water. Probably high 20's coldest. I can not think of how water could enter the engine if it didnt get over that starter/alternator. The oil pan and lower portion of block was emersed tho.
 

iamgman

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Re: Ugghh... Milky oil.. '02 3.0L Roast me OK>..

whew! I changed the oil/filter and drained the manifold and block. Ran it a minute with the water intake hoses off. I really like that idea. Oil was just as bad.. total white milk. No way was I going to run it longer like that. I ran to walmart and got cheap oil. Changed both out again. Ran it for a minute with hoses still off. Oil looked good. Marked level. Hooked water hoses back up and ran it to operating temp. Oil was clean. Ran it on the muffs for a good ten minutes at 1200 rpm and still good. I cant see that much water getting in there by condensation, but maybeso. Or the somewhat flooded bilge introduced water. Point is the party is on. Its going to the lake for memorial weekend and I learned some good lessons. Thanks for all the help as you all helped me one way or another.
 

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Just have safe weekend!!!
 

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Thats great news. Just one thing is when you have it in the water versus muffs it puts a lot more load on everything. This will be your for sure test, once up to operating temp look at your oil pressure gauge, If it is running to high of pressure 80 - 90 psi then you have issues, Should be around 40 - 60 psi. Then i would also stop motor and check oil to make sure everything is good.

Good luck and Happy Boating !!!!
 

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Re: Ugghh... Milky oil.. '02 3.0L Roast me OK>..

When you do hit the water, keep an eye on the oil and the oil level. About 90% of the time, internally cracked blocks don't show up on muffs. Not enough water volume or pressure like the engine will get in the water under load at speed.
 
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