Johnson 20 hp won't start over water

brmjerry

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Hi. Can anyone offer me any advice here, please? I have a 1994 20 hp Johnson that only has about 20 hrs on it but was used as a contingency motor on a boat that was used a lot in Florida. So it has been shaken around a lot. It starts on the 1st or second pull on land, but won't start over water when I shut it down after running about a half a mile. The cooling system seems to work and the hood isn't even warm. I have a neighbor who's an experienced boater who said he had one with the same problem and he just got rid of it. I spent half the summer building a nice skiff to go under this thing and I'm really too poor to do that. (Probably too poor to own a boat but I like to fish). Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks!
 

Vanover

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Re: Johnson 20 hp won't start over water

Kinda sounds like maybe you have a fuel issue to me. I don't think the motor being in the water or not would make a diff. You run on the hose at home so it should be the same.
 

samo_ott

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Re: Johnson 20 hp won't start over water

I agree. It should be the same. There's something else that's changing in the environments. Can you elaborate more. How do you run it half a mile if it does not start in the water?

And welcome to the forum :)
 

bgbass.1

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Re: Johnson 20 hp won't start over water

He says it runs on hose ok but not in water the water from the hose is a lot colder than the water in lake could be getting to hot check thermastat if never been replaced do so they have a tendency to rot away
 

steelespike

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Re: Johnson 20 hp won't start over water

After running; carefully feel the cylinder head should be too hot to hold your hand on but not so hot it burns you.You could also sprinkle water on the head.It should not sizzle.If its running lean it might start with the choke cold but start hard when warm.Have you tried the choke on restart?Does it plane out and run about 20 to 25 mph.
 

brmjerry

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Re: Johnson 20 hp won't start over water

- Yes, I misstated that it only started on land ? it also started at the dock. The only real change in environment is that it is getting shaken up a lot by waves when I?m out there. And it did restart over the water the first time I took it out two months ago, but it took about 20 pulls.

- As far as it being a fuel issue, There might have been a small amount of rust in the bottom of the tank, I?m not sure. I cleaned it out as well as I could but I might not have gotten it all. It?s a metal tank and the fuel has been in there about two months. I don?t want to waste 6 gal. of fuel mixture in the tank, so I?ll probably try adding some seafoam which I already have, to the fuel and start it at the dock, let it run for half an hour, and restart it when it?s warm. However, when it wouldn?t start when I was out, it had been sitting for 2 hours. The next step will be to get a plastic gas tank and some new fuel.

- I will check the thermostat and replace it if it looks at all bad. I?ll test it in boiling water regardless.

- To elaborate, I saw a another thread that said to set the idle higher because the idle will be higher on muffs than in the water,as muffs do not add back pressure to the exhaust. I?ve noticed something that might be related. The stream out of the overboard assembly hose isn?t as strong on the muffs as over water. I?m wondering if that is due to the lack of back pressure. I also see exhaust gas coming out of the tube.

- As far as how it idles and runs, it planes out and runs strong, so fast that I don?t want to take it past half or ? throttle on a 14? skiff in the waves in the sound. But it sputters or rev?s up about every fourth turn. I will check the temperature of the head after running it with water drops. I don?t completely understand the lean/rich adjustment, which is a knob on the end of the steering arm. The labels are gone. I don?t know which direction is rich or lean so I just center it. So I don?t know if it?s running lean. I?ve tried with and without the choke and half choke and the only time I got a fire was when the choke was off after I had pulled it with the choke on. I read it might be the choke solenoid, but there aren?t many hours on the motor.

- The other possibility is that the carburetor is dirty. Does anyone know if you can put gumout in the gas and run it for a while? Or can you shoot a little ether into the carb as a last resort? I will also change the plugs, which I just sanded clean two months ago, but like I said, it starts the 1st or second pull when choked at the dock. It also restarts fine there.

Sorry to write a book. Thanks much for all the great responses. I probably could put it in the shop, but I?d like to try to understand this for now.
 

henry_2011

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Re: Johnson 20 hp won't start over water

Do you still have issues with this engine?

- As far as it being a fuel issue, There might have been a small amount of rust in the bottom of the tank, I?m not sure. I cleaned it out as well as I could but I might not have gotten it all. It?s a metal tank and the fuel has been in there about two months. I don?t want to waste 6 gal. of fuel mixture in the tank, so I?ll probably try adding some seafoam which I already have, to the fuel and start it at the dock, let it run for half an hour, and restart it when it?s warm. However, when it wouldn?t start when I was out, it had been sitting for 2 hours. The next step will be to get a plastic gas tank and some new fuel.

If it's dirty fuel, it wouldn't start on land either after you take the boat back home. Did you say it works on land after it broke down on the water?

Do you get the same cooling water output while in the water? If so, it's not the impeller and maybe not cylinder heat related.

However, how long do you run it on land for? Is it shorter than in the water before problems arise there? It could be an electrical issue, coils, condensers, ignition lines having intermittent faults when the get warmer.

Not elaborating too much here, as it might not be relevant anymore. Was just searching for a solution to my problem that I came across this thread.

Cheers,
henry
 
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