mike

mike

  • WHAT IS THE FIX?

    Votes: 10 66.7%
  • WHERE SHOULD I START?

    Votes: 9 60.0%

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bad140hpboat

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Hey guys,

I stopped my 1984, 140hp outboard checkmate boat after crusing along for awhile. A passenger put the boat in reverse and throttled up a bit, before the rpms went down on the boat, my passenger put it in foward. As soon as this happened, there was no prop. Something obioviously, something broke. All I have now is a engine that rev's up and no prop spin when in gear!!!!. Is the problem maybe a shear pin?. I really hope it's not a internal broken shaft in the lower half!! Anybody that can advise would be great!!
 
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Al-53

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Re: mike

there is no shear pin on that prop...it has a rubber hub..it cane get spun meaning the rubber hub broke bond to the prop....when u put it in gear does the prop spin freely....or is there some resistance....


take the prop off and see if the prop shaft spins while in gear...if it does you may have some problems in the lower end....

also make sure when u shift in gear it goes in gear..maybe the cable is out of adjustment or not moving the gear lever on the motor...watch the gear lever when u shift in gear see if it travels far enough to engage...do it not running for now in case u do have problems in the lower case...

Al
 

wilde1j

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Re: mike

My guess is clutch dog or fwd gear was damaged, but I don't have Xray vision. Do you still have reverse?

I would start by draining gear oil and see if metal chunks come out.
 

mikesea

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Re: mike

make sure your cable and linkages are engaging before thinking drastic.
 

Craig-

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Re: mike

Why a poll?
Start by following advice above.
 

keefallan

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Re: mike

I agree with the previous posts. Put the motor in gear and try to spin the prop with your hands(engine off obviously). If you can spin it see if the prop shaft is moving. If it isn't then you spun the hub. If it does, then you have clutch issues or something like that. At least this way, you can quickly determine if it internal or external.
 

wilde1j

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Re: mike

I agree with the previous posts. Put the motor in gear and try to spin the prop with your hands(engine off obviously). If you can spin it see if the prop shaft is moving. If it isn't then you spun the hub. If it does, then you have clutch issues or something like that. At least this way, you can quickly determine if it internal or external.

You can't tell a spun hub this way, unless you can generate over 100 HP.
 

keefallan

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Re: mike

I can't prove or disprove what wilde1j posted, but if your motor is a bad off as you say, you can definately do that to find out if the motor has internal issues then. I have a bad clutch in my boat and I can at least troll with it! It won't go any higher than fast idle with out slipping(clutch) and i can guarantee that's no where near 100 hp being applied. So, you can at least check it this way to see if things spin when they should or should not be spinning. And I don't mean to step on anyones toes.
 

wilde1j

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Re: mike

SPUN HUB: Mark the inner and outer prop hubs with an indelible marker, run the engine in the water, under load and examine marks. If they've moved relative to each other, hub is spun. Take prop to a prop shop to have it rehubbed. Any other way and you're wasting your tiime, unless you have almost no hub left at all. And you weren't stepping on toes, just wasting someone's time.

And there is no "clutch" in the car sense in any outboard gearcase. The device called a clutch dog makes a hard, metal to metal contact with the recess in fwd and rev gears, with no slipping at all. It doesn't slip, but can violently jump in and out of gear. Kind of like hitting a submerged log repeatedly.
 

jay_merrill

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Re: mike

I can't prove or disprove what wilde1j posted, but if your motor is a bad off as you say, you can definately do that to find out if the motor has internal issues then. I have a bad clutch in my boat and I can at least troll with it! It won't go any higher than fast idle with out slipping(clutch) and i can guarantee that's no where near 100 hp being applied. So, you can at least check it this way to see if things spin when they should or should not be spinning. And I don't mean to step on anyones toes.

I don't think you are stepping on toes either, but you are most likely giving incorrect information.

Unless you have a 60's vintage OMC outboard with electric shift system that was used on some of the 40hp models and V-4 models, you don't have a clutch mechanism in your motor. What I am speaking of is not the "hydro-electric" shift system and it wasn't used on other, through-the-hub exhaust outboards, either. This system was on the old pin drive models and it had a clutch mechanism with a pair of springs and a pair of clutch hubs. If you want to see what this looks like, go to www.shop.evinrude.com and look at the gearcase parts diagram for a 1968 85hp model, with the electric shift.

As for wilde1j's comments, I don't completely agree with him, but understand what he is getting at. Trying to check for a spun hub by moving the prop by hand, isn't likely to tell you much, unless and as he said, the rubber insert is completely destroyed. At the same time, what can happen, is what you are describing - you can put the motor in gear and move forward at idle, but as soon as you apply much throttle, the hub won't hold.

This particular situation sounds more like internal gearcase problems to me. Whether it is related to the clutch dog or something else, will have to be determined. Slamming a gearcase from reverse into forward with a lot of throttle applied, could have damaged the tabs on the clutch dog and it might have done the same to the mating surfaces on the forward gear. If any of the tabs involved sheared off and is/are somewhere in the gearcase, continued use of the motor could cause further damage.

If the OP is not comfortable in diagnosing and/or repairing gearcase problems, it might be time for him to find a competent mechanic. If he goes to an OMC/BRP dealer, he can expect shop rates in the $70 - $90 an hour range, but he might also find a local mechanic who can do the work. I've run across more than a couple retired OMC mechanics, who dabble with repairs now and again. They can be just what is needed, because they know what they are doing and will usually offer very competitive rates.



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wilde1j

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Re: mike

Ah yes, I forgot about the antique electric shift motors, but the motor in question is a 1984 motor, long after those electric deals were no longer made. And you can't reliably check for a spun hub w/o running even on small motors (i.e. < 10 HP). Marking the hubs works on any motor.
 

bad140hpboat

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Re: mike

Hey guys,

To all of you that responded to my post-I thank you. I will take some time to look at all the things that were brought up. I hope my problem is a spun hub, better than internal issues I guess! I will get back to the forum very soon. Thanks!!
 

bad140hpboat

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Re: MIKE, WITH CHECKMATE BOAT PROBLEMS!!

Re: MIKE, WITH CHECKMATE BOAT PROBLEMS!!

Hello people,

I went ahead and put the boat in forward , with the motor off, I reached down and tried to spin the propeller shaft. I could spin it!! It kinda had a bit off resistance, it felt like it might be crunchy. I'm thinking on the horizontial prop shaft, where it changes 90 degrees and goes vertical," is the area of damage ". Any suggestions on this? I'm going to look at the parts breakdown of this part of the lower end on this 140 Evinrude (1984) and look for what could be the problem. Do you think this is where I should be looking?.. Also, I took all the bolts holding the lower unit on to the mid section of the outboard. I cannot get it to seperate from the motor. Is there something I'm missing? Thanks for all the help!!!

Mike

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ezeke

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Re: MIKE, WITH CHECKMATE BOAT PROBLEMS!!

Re: MIKE, WITH CHECKMATE BOAT PROBLEMS!!

Hello people,

................ Also, I took all the bolts holding the lower unit on to the mid section of the outboard. I cannot get it to seperate from the motor. Is there something I'm missing? Thanks for all the help!!!

Mike

bad140hpboat

You need to disconnect the shift rod under the carburetors AND remove a total of seven screws from the gearcase. There are two on each side, one above the propeller, one holding the trim tab, and one hiding above the trim tab.
 

bad140hpboat

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Re: mike

Thank you for the updated info on how I'm trying to remove the lower unit on this evinrude outboard! I will remove all the bolts you told me to and hope the rest of this fix will go my way. This forum is totally helpfull!!!

Mike (checkmate engine problems)
 

bad140hpboat

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Re: mike

Hello,

With what Iv'e explained about this gear problem, do you guys think it might be the clutch that is allowing the shaft to spin while in the forward gear? Seems like you should not be able to spin the prop shaft at all - while in gear. The cruncy feel that it has sounds like a big problem.


Thanks!

Mike
 

Cofe

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Re: mike

From the sound of things, I think you probably broke the drive shaft. You will find out as soon as you remove the lower unit.
 

bad140hpboat

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Re: mike

Senior Chief,

Thanks for your reply to my boat problem! I will let the forum know once I drop the lower half.
 
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