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casenkris

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I've got a 1969 40 horse johnson electromatic superquiet, when I turn the ket to the on position, the electric choke works, but i turn the key to engage the motor and i got nothing, if I leave the key to the on position I can pull start it and it runs great, turn the key off, shuts the motor off, that works great,kill switch also works great, I give the starter power from a battery and cables to test it and it engages, so is my problem in my ignition switch?
 
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Sure sounds like it's the switch going bad. Could be a little corrosion inside or a loose connection outside. Try some penetrating oil inside the switch, it may do the trick (for a while).
 
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casenkris

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so I went and got a new switch, every boat store here gives me a different one, this time they gave me one for johnson 1977 through 1995 and all the stores say it should work? and mine is a 1969, hooked it up still nothing, so im gonna buy a new battery since i need one anyway, still frustrated, i can put the key and every thing is fine, turn the key off motor off, thats great ,all i want to do is start it with a key, any suggestions :(
 
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Have you checked voltage through the neutral safety switch to the starter solenoid when you turn the key to start?
 
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casenkris

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no i havent where is that located, is it to the left of the shift linkage and does it look like the backside bottom of the starter solenoid looks like it has some wires going into it and a vacuum line?
 
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casenkris

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some one told me there was supposed to be a micro switch in the control box or near the lincage ,but i dont see anything like that?
 
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If memory serves there is a micro switch up under the magneto near the cutout switch. There should be a white wire going from the safety switch to the cutout then to the solenoid. The switch functions off of a ground , test the switch to make sure it's not permanently grounded out.
 
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This might help, not sure if it is exact match but wiring convention should be the same. When key is turned to on, M to M open, B to A close. Turn to start, B to S close. The buzzer is added to the A terminal and lanyard is added to kill terminal (raised M). If you jump B to S starter will turn (momentary only).
 

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Ignore the C & A terminal, the concept is the same. Kill wire is grounded when off, M to M closed, turning to run opens M to M, turning to start closes B to S giving starter juice until key is released. Be it a 4, 5, 6 pole switch, they all work the same. To test switch, clip red lead from voltmeter to S and black lead to any ground(low M terminal can be used for ground not raised M terminal), turn key to start, good switch will read 12V dc. Or with grounded test light to S, turning key will light with good switch. Assuming battery is good.
 
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It is a pretty good wild guess that the safety switch is shot. And if it is shot, it is a pretty safe bet that somebody has put a car solenoid in there. That will instantly destroy the safety switch.

EDIT: So will using a remote starting button if connected to the wrong small terminal on the solenoid. ZZZZT!, and the safety switch is toast.
 
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is the safety switch still available for this motor? thanx for all the help I will try everything and let yall know!
 
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379542 Safety switch. Evinrude dealer item.

Remember what I said about a car solenoid.
 
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casenkris

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it never had a solenoid in it when i got the motor, the first thing i did was get the correct one from the dealer,i did notice all my white wires to my switch were in bad shape the insulation is just fallin off the wire and the wire is badly corroted so i will get new wire and replace it all.
 
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casenkris

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well went and got a new battery and cables, and a light tester, still nothing, tested the solenoid,with the key in start position, I have nothing, so I will be getting a new one on monday, then we will see, hopefully that will be it!
 
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casenkris said:
it never had a solenoid in it when i got the motor, the first thing i did was get the correct one from the dealer,i did notice all my white wires to my switch were in bad shape the insulation is just fallin off the wire and the wire is badly corroted so i will get new wire and replace it all.
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Check every wire throughout the whole wiring harness. If it is all that bad, your problems will continue. Use tinned copper wire to replace it, solder and heat shrink all connections.
 
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casenkris

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Well I got a new Solenoid, problem still persist, With the key to the on position,just got power from the battery on the solenoid, when key engaged I've got power to solenoid and power to the leads on top of the solenoid but nothing coming from the out post on the solenoid to the starter, not sure whats going on, and why I dont have power to the out post of solenoid :(
 
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casenkris

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Well I was out sittin in the boat looking everything over in the motor and in the boat, finally I did check under the magneto and found out where the wonderful safety switch goes that is not there,I felt stupid and relieved, all at the same time because i should of followed evrything in the book,but glad I know that there is supposed to be one, I thought the cut out switch and the safety switch were the same thing ...duh... nope, so where to get one of these bad boys, I havent a clue I will call my local marine store and hope for the best. thanks everyone for all the help I will let you know what happens, and hope to have pictures of my boat soon, also is a 40 horse to big for my 1973 p-14 seaswirl?
 
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