swedish guy

hi

i?m a swedish boat lover.... can anybody help me compare the value of a boat beetween 23 to 28 feet, i own a 23 feet cabin boat today, and my boat was manyfactoring 1976, i payd 20 000 dollar last sesson for this, so u understand that boats are muth more expensive here in sweden then in US...

i would like to travel to US and get my self and boat from 1997 to 2001 type a bayliner or sea ray or similary..... for the same amunth of money, how much boat can i get in us ????????

best regards : the swedish gay, Magnus

Re: swedish guy

Welcome aboard "Swedish Guy" !

Prices vary so much between style and manufacturers that it would be impossible to give a solid answer to your inquiry.

Have you checked the new and used boat section here at iboats?

Here's the link. http://www.iboats.com/

This will at least give you some comparables to what you are looking for. Good luck!

Re: swedish guy

remember taxes, duties, and shipping.

Re: swedish guy

the prices that i can see on this page is so muth more cheeper than in sweden that i can?t belive it........ i must check what it cost to shipped a 23 to 28 feet large boat to sweden from Us.....
i hope you can read what i ?m writhing...... sorry but i ?m not from US

best regards: the swedish guy......... ( not gay ;-) )

Re: swedish guy

well, Magnus, most of the blokes here will be dissappointed knowing you are not gay....but now that point is established, I buy used boats in America and export them to Australia.

Boats are well priced in America, but there are a few basic rules that you have to follow.

#1. the person you deal with in the States makes-or breaks your purchase.
If you think you will take a holiday and buy something, well, Yankieland is a big place, and you might not have the time to see much of what you are looking for.......plus you HAVE to purchase reasonably close to an American Port that has an economical service to where you live.
Internal shipping and handling costs are huge.

#2. get the phone book out and get yourself a local shipping agent to act for you, plus give you a quote. There are 3 main types of freight for a boat.

a. container (limits width and height) and incurs costs in packing and un-packing.

b. flat rack (container without walls or roof...just floor area) so you can keep boat on trailer, gain and extra 150mm-200mm width (I think), and more height.

c. RO-RO (roll on, roll off) and they will quote you "$ per w/m" (which stands for ?per weight measure?, which means either ?per kilogram? or ?per cubic meter?, whichever is greater. For a boat on trailer, it would be measured ?per cubic meter?, when the boat presents itself for shipping at the wharf.
Total length x width x height of boat on trailer = volume m3

Now here is a trick....if you have a good American Broker, he may be skilled enough to remove and safely store windscreen, bimini frame etc, reducing height. Take my word for it....takes big dollars off the freight, BUT if he stuffs it up and dosen't store/secure properly, then you may have a badly damaged craft arrive, with no insurance cover!!
When you measure length, don't forget the trailer drawbar sticking out the front.....yes it counts too!!

I have not used this option yet, but this is my quote:
Ocean RO_RO freight is calculated = US$125 + 17.5 % + $7.50 = USD 154.37 per cubic meter.

Next important point is "the extra chargers" which occur all along the way....doc fees, harbour charges, unload fees, bunker surcharges, duties, taxes etc. YOUR SHIPPING AGENT will know all of these, so make sure he tells you everything, PLUS he will know all your countries laws relating to importing....you MUST know this before you do anything.

Having said all this, for me it is still worth doing, as I am sure it will be for you too.
I specialise in MacGregor 26M and MacGregor 26X power sailers.

Let me know if you want any more help...only too happy to oblige.

Cheers
Phillip

Re: swedish guy

Hi Phillip

Big thank?s for your detailed answere....

the problem for me is to trust a boatdealer, i have read and heard about people that have used boat dealers to import there dream boat but ended up with a different boat from that they had orderd....

today at ebay there is a bayliner 245 from 2003 with "buy it now" price at 21900dollars, this is the same amouth of many that my 23feet boat from 1976 cost in sweden....

Re: swedish guy

I have a broker who works for me and I can trust with my money.
He is in San Diego and ships out of Long Beach California.
You would just fit into the 'system', I already have in place, except yours goes East and mine south.
Could cost more, but probably not much.

The Bayliner 245 is a good choice, but it won't go 40' container....too wide....so it is either flat rack on a container vessel or RO-RO

You should seek out a shipping agent close to you and see if Wallenius Wilhelmsen load Long Beach and go to your country. They are RO_RO, but that is not essential. Any container ship will do.
Best you check out a Shipping Agent first, and once you have the base facts, decide what direction you want to go in from there.
Cheers
Phillip

Re: swedish guy

thank?s again phillip.....

the boat sesson is just starting here, and it ends in the middle of september. the swedish climat is simmullar to the english so we don?t get so many chanses of good wether and sun. maby this is the reason to our prices on the baots here, they are often old bu in wery good shape, combined whit gasolin prices of 2 dollar per Liter...

( 1Liter= 3 can?s of coca cola)

how big boat will fit inside a container????? i don?t want a boat under 26 feet... is there any ????????

regards, magnus.....

Re: swedish guy

Here are your shipping container types, styles and sizes.

http://www.foreign-trade.com/reference/ocean.cfm

An American made 26' power boat will not fit into a 40' container, as most are 8'6" wide (? 2.4m)and the trailer wheels are, I THINK 2.5m wide, as a lot of countries (I THINK) make it illegal to have wheels wider without separate type registration.

Forget trying to make a cradle so the boat lies part way on its side...a waste of time and money.
Use the US trailer as cradle with wheels and when in your country, if it won't comply with your laws, use it as a ramp trailer and in the winter, if you need it moved to your home etc, have it moved by tilt-tray truck....cheap...and believe me, saves a lot of work, stress and cost....and you can keep one of those little 800cc TDI shopping trolleys, that do 100k on 2L of diesel, as your family car.

I am seriously thinking of going away from containers, as I would save $2,700-$3,200 in associated costs plus lots of time, which i would put toward RO_RO or Flat Rack and be way out in front.

Cheers
Phillip

Re: swedish guy

Hi Phillip

Big thanks for the "container links"

you have really got me thinking, mayby in the future i will go to US as a combined holliday and boat searching trip

For now the boating sesson has just started here and i took one day of from work and i spendt it with my family on our home water...... it was great

sincere, the swedish guy.....

Re: swedish guy

Just got a chuckle here. An Aussie, on an American forum helping a Swede to buy an American boat! No point, just that that is the beauty of the internet, huh?