Did they see me coming?

newt74

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My girlfriend and I have a young family and decided to buy our first boat this spring. After looking at half a dozen boats, we ended up finding a 1992 17' Larson All American with an 4.3l LX Mercruiser. I was very impressed with the condition of the boat compared to the others we had seen, as it was spotless with 413 hours on the motor. The only repair the previous owner had done was replace the exhaust manifold. It looked to be well maintained.

Being new to boating, we made the sale contingent on an inspection by a local marine shop. They checked it all out and gave it a clean bill of health, saying that we shouldn't have any problems with it. Ran it up in the tank, runs good, has lots of power. They charged us for 4.5 hours of labour, and a set of wheel bearings for the trailer. Apparently he had to chisle the bearing race of the axle, so it took longer than normal. We had to ask him specifically to check out the wheel bearings on the trailer, and after getting it home I discover that the surge brakes on the trailer don't work either, the master cylinder is pooched. Not all that concerned, it's not that heavy of a rig, and I'm pretty handy, so I'll fix that later. Anyhow, on to the real problem.

Yesterday, we take the boat out to sister in law's lake and launch it. Take it easy because we have 2 infants, a pre schooler, my girlfriend, her sister and sister's husband on board. Watching the guages everthing looks good, temp and oil pressure normal. Take off on 20 minute trip down the lake, stop for about an hour, turn around and come back. Still taking it easy, have it about half throttle, 3200 RPM, going about 50kph according to GPS. We get half way back and the sound of the motor changed slightly, I checked the guages, everything is normal, then right away it starts to get louder and louder. I chopped the throttle, and I can see steam or smoke coming from the engine compartment. I killed the ignition, take off the engine cover, and it's obviously hot. It sounds like it's overheated, making ticking sounds (engine off) like metal expanding or contracting. Turned the key back on to check the temp, it still reads normal. Pulled the dipstick, and it's about halfway up the stick, and is all creamy, so obviously full of water. There's more water / oil cream in the bottom of the boat, so it's pushed oil out somewhere. Tried turning it over, and it won't turn over at all. We ended up flagging down another boat for a tow back to the marina, and it's back in my driveway now. I turned the key this afternoon to see if it will turn over, and it will. It even fired, but I didn't let it start.

My questions are:
Any guesses as to what happened? My guesses are cracked block due to improper winterization (I'm in Winnipeg Canada, and it routinely gets to -40F here in the winter), or a blown head gasket?
What do I do now? Take it back to the guy who checked it over? There aren't a lot of marine shops who work on inboards here, and I can't help but doubt that he know's what he's doing. Is this something he could have found, by pressure testing the cooling system or something like that?
Any educated guesses what it is gonna cost me to get this thing back up and running, worst case scenario?
 

Gary H NC

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Re: Did they see me coming?

That much water in the oil points to internal cracks in the block.:(
Sounds like a new long block is in your future.

Sorry to hear your first outing ended like that.Glad you got the kids and everyone home safe.

Welcome to Iboats.....
 

sea wolf

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Before you get it fixed, go take a boater safety course. You're running full bore {50 mph by your gps} with 2 infants & a pre-schooler on board? Not to mention the 4 adults on a 17ftr? If you hit a large wake, what chance do you think those kids had of staying on board? You're an idiot. You don't deserve to be anywhere near a boat.
 

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I have to agree with sea wolf. You made so many mistakes, you really need a course and to put the keys to your boat away until after you've decided not to endanger the lives of the people you have on board. I'd rank that move right up there with letting little kids play on the front deck of a moving pontoon.

Scary stuff.

You can pressure-test the cooling system to see if (most likely where) it leaks. If that wasn't done during the inspection, you didn't hire a very good marine mechanic. That's the first thing that should be checked as it's the most expensive to fix and easiest to find.

If your state is anything like ND, that is your boat to fix. Nobody signed anything saying the boat had a warranty, so you now get to foot the bill for a new long block.
 

Scarab95

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Before you get it fixed, go take a boater safety course. You're running full bore {50 mph by your gps} with 2 infants & a pre-schooler on board? Not to mention the 4 adults on a 17ftr? If you hit a large wake, what chance do you think those kids had of staying on board? You're an idiot. You don't deserve to be anywhere near a boat.

Seawolf needs to read more carefully 50 Kilometers, so you were going under 30mph.
Do a basic compression check if all the cylinders check out.
Check your exhaust manifolds before you go buying an entire motor. They should come off in two pieces. If they rust through you'll get what you're describing. Also they are much weaker than the block and if it did freeze the exhaust will crack way easier. GLM makes some affordable replacements.
 

jr1017

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You guys are being to hard on him, considering that more than likely, the guy selling him the boat knew it had problems. Buying a boat from a shady seller and then bringing it to a idiot mechanic who should have known with him being a new boater to check over every inch of the boat and charge the heck out him for it is extremly bad luck!!! Being screwed twice would not be fun for everyone and I feel his pain.

As far as being a dangerous, reckless daredevil putting his family in jeapordy, I don't think you read his post very well, he stated several times he was taking it easy (because of the family and kids on board), and he also said he lives in CANADA!!! 50 kph on the gps I believe is what he said and I could be wrong, but that's probably about 30 MPH!!!!! He also had even said he was only doing about 3200 rpm. My boat won't hit 50 at only 3200 rpm's, will yours? If so, I wanna know how.

Hopefully you have some recourse with the mechanic, but I seriously doubt it. The sellers maybe could give you your money back if they have a concious, but I doubt it. Hate to hear a story like this, good luck though and like the other guys said, find a respectable mechanic to take it to and have them tell you what is wrong with it and then make a plan from there. Internal cracks and you are looking at a new long block, but head gasket???
 

sea wolf

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Seawolf needs to read more carefully 50 Kilometers, so you were going under 30mph.
Do a basic compression check if all the cylinders check out.
Check your exhaust manifolds before you go buying an entire motor. They should come off in two pieces. If they rust through you'll get what you're describing. Also they are much weaker than the block and if it did freeze the exhaust will crack way easier. GLM makes some affordable replacements.
I don't care if it's 30 or 50. A 17ftr. doesn't have much freeboard. And infants don't belong on a runabout going 30 mph. And he should have taken it out for a sea trial before he bought it. Did he ask the mechanic to pressure test the cooling system? Probably not. So the mechanic is an idiot because the engine ran fine in the tank?
 

newt74

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Thanks for pointing that out Scarba, you're right, that's about 31MPH, on calm open water. I can assure you safety was my first concern and nobody felt unsafe until the motor quit.

Thanks for the tip on GLM. Did I also read that this is the same block as the motor they put in a Chevy S-10? Is it possible to use a rebuilt or salvaged motor from a truck?
 

Wet Wonder

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You always find something unexpected with a new boat so just chalk this up to that, and see if you can fix it yourself with a friends help. The best way to boating is to do/learn to do everything yourself.
 

danond

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The best way to boating is to do/learn to do everything yourself.

...and to not bring infants onto 17ft boats that haven't been wet-tested. Safety first means the new owner and an experienced boater take it out for it's trial runs, not friends and babies. Some of you aren't recalling what the bow of a 17 foot boat does at 30 mph when it cuts into 3 or 4 wake waves. Ever try to drink something when that happens? Same thing happens to little kids.

Your truck block question has been asked many times, but the quick answer is yes. You need a marine cam, marine casting plugs and marine gaskets for the heads. The rest is pretty much the same.

Or, just call Rapido Marine and have them ship you a fresh short/long block.
 

sea wolf

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Hey Newt, I don't mean to come down on ya. But, like I said, a sea trial is a must when buying a boat. Ya live & learn I guess. Good luck with it.
 

newt74

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You know what guys, you're right. I should have left the kids at home, period. Brother in law is a seasoned boater, just should have been him and I on the boat. I feel like a fool, lesson learned.
 

danond

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You know what guys, you're right. I should have left the kids at home, period. Brother in law is a seasoned boater, just should have been him and I on the boat. I feel like a fool, lesson learned.

Your next step should really be to pressure-test the cooling system. If you have a bike pump and a few minutes to spare at a hardware store you can make the apparatus you need.

Connect the water hoses to the exhaust manifolds together (or plug them), disconnect the hose that brings water into the engine from the outdrive and connect an air supply (no more than 15psi) to the engine and pressurize it. I use a bike pump. If you hear leaking, listen for the location of the leak. If you don't hear leaking, your cooling system is good.

Or, you can fire it up again and see where the oil/water is leaking from, if you can find the leak/crack with a flashlight.
 
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