Piston is Melted in #2 cyl on 85HP

Reboot11133

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I had compression readings of 150, 110, 150 so I pulled the head and discovered the #2 cylinder is melted at the edge. The cylinder walls look good at least I don't see any scoring... Would it be wise to just replace the piston or do I need to do a complete rebuild? Money is an issue! I bought this boat last fall and got a good deal so I thought. I have had to rebuild the stringers and deck and now this. I haven't even put it in the water yet.Burnt Piston.jpg
 

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Re: Piston is Melted in #2 cyl on 85HP

Yes you can do just the one piston.Make sure there is no scoring all the way thru the cylinder.If you are you might as well get new rings for the other two.Get the factory manual and follow the specs for rings.Jerry
 

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Re: Piston is Melted in #2 cyl on 85HP

Better do some investigative work as well, if you don't address the underlying problem you risk having the same thing happening again.
 

Reboot11133

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Re: Piston is Melted in #2 cyl on 85HP

Thanks for the advice. You are right I may as well replace the other rings while I am at it. The compression on the other cylinders was pretty good though. I am not sure what the original compression would have been but 150 looks like it hardly has any wear.
I suspect that there may be a problem with the # 2 carburetor so I will rebuild all 3 of them as well as replace the impeller for the water pump and maybe the thermostat.
Is there anything else I should have a close look at?
The model # is 856X4L which is an 84.
According to my Seloc manual the bore is 3.312, pistons for this are $69 from iboats, is this the correct size or do I need to go larger to compensate for wear???
I noticed salt deposits in the water jacket, Is there a good way to flush this out?
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: Piston is Melted in #2 cyl on 85HP

First off, that is detonation damage. You were lucky that it did not progress further and completely destroy the piston and score the cylinder. It usually happens when you go to full or near full throttle and it happens so fast that you can not react. It usually shatters the rings, scores the liner, and melts the piston so badly that there is zero compression.

That cylinder is running LEAN. Find out why. Disassemble and clean the center carb and be certain that the low speed needle is no leaner that 3/4 to 7/8 turn out from lightly seated. Less than 3/4 is too lean and will almost always melt pistons. Also be certain that the float is not set too low. Double check to see that no crap is stuck in the inlet needle. Finally, put a cheap 3 buck plastic auto filter between the fuel pump and carbs.

If the cylinder is indeed not scored--a very lucky break-- you can replace only the center piston. AND, you need not disassemble the engine to do it. There is no oversize to account for wear. If the cylinder is not scored and does not need to be bored, buy a standard one.

Take off all three carbs, the manifold and reed assembly, and rotate the flywheel until the big end of the rod is closest to the opening.

Using a 12 point 1/4 inch socket with a 6 inch extension, remove the cap screws. Remove the rod cap and as many of the rollers as you can. Push the piston and rod out. Some rollers may stick inside the big end of the rod so be careful not to let them drop into the engine pan. Some will fall inside the engine but they can not get stuck or lost as long as you keep them away from the exhaust ports. A bent piece of wire will fish them out nicely.

ACCOUNT FOR ALL 16 ROLLERS

You will need to press out the wrist pin and there is a special tool necessary to press it back into the new piston unless you buy a WISECO piston. They come with rings, wristpins and retainer circlips but you must buy a bearing kit for an extra 13 bucks.

Pay attention to the orientation of the rod when you remove it from the old piston and install it into the new piston. While it will work either way, the factory recommends one way only.

At 150 PSI, forget about the other two cylinders. You can not get any better. Lubricate the new piston, rings , and rod assembly and push it into the bore. Line up the big end of the rod with the crankpin. Using greaseto keep them from dropping, replace the cages and rollers one by one. Work slowly because the cages will tend to ride over each other as you rotate them to install the rollers. Count the rollers as you install them. It pays to be paranoid here. Once all rollers are in place, replace the rod cap and gently just snug the bolts--finger tight only, no wrench. Now, check the ground portions of the rod to be sure they are completely aligned and a pencil point or scribe passes smoothly over the break. Once they are aligned properly--be very fussy here--good enough is not good enough. Perfect is the only option. Once they are aligned, torque the cap bolts to 180 INCH POUNDS. If you do not have a torque wrench, borrow one.

Replace the manifold--you will need new gaskets--replace the carbs and linkages.

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Reboot11133

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Re: Piston is Melted in #2 cyl on 85HP

Thank You Frank!!!!
I think you just saved me a lot of work.
I will rebuild the carbs since it has been sitting for quite a while. I bought it in the Fall and the previous owner said the last time he ran it it went to a very high idle quickly so he shut it down, that was last sping I believe. To me it sounds like something got stuck in one of the jets my guess is the # 2 carburetor.
It looks like I won't be boating anytime soon but at least there is still hope.
Its too bad you live on the other side of the continent. I would like to take you out for a wobbly pop!
 
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