iboats - The #1 Store For Everything Boating
 
  #1  
Old July 1st, 2008, 12:37 AM
martinmariner martinmariner is offline
Cadet
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 3
Default aluminum hull wobbly after removing foam

I have a '67 18' aluminum mirro craft out of which I removed the old rotted plywood floor and the SOAKED foam underneath. I rebuilt the floor using aluminum T-bar spanning the hull and resting on each chine with mdo plywood on top. (Tried to attach T-bar to chines using 3m 4200 with limited success.) Anyhow, now because I did not really want to replace the foam because of weight/draining issues, I have a hull that moves quite a bit because of nonexistent stiffening from the previous foam or any aluminum from the original manufacturing of the boat. (if that makes sense.) Do I have to replace the foam or does someone have an idea of how to stiffen the bottom of the boat so it does not move while underway.
Sincere thanks,
Martin
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old July 1st, 2008, 01:26 PM
Mark42's Avatar
Mark42 Mark42 is online now
Fleet Admiral
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 7,687
Default Re: aluminum hull wobbly after removing foam

People often think that foam is just there to keep the boat afloat. The fact is that foam often provides stiffening, rigidity and sound deadening.

If possable, I would pick up some 4 lb foam and pour it in. New polyurathane foams do not break down with extended water contact like the old polyester foams did. Polyurathane foam is what floating docks are made from. 4 lb foam is more structural than the usual 2 lb foam. So if you want to add more rigidity and some strength to the hull, buy the 4 lb foam.
__________________
1985 Bayliner 1600 Capri Cuddy, 1965 MFG Niagara Custom. >> MFG Video<<. >> MFG Project<< >>Bayliner Hard Top Project<< >>Bayliner Fuel Tank Project<<


Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old July 1st, 2008, 09:23 PM
Bond-o's Avatar
Bond-o Bond-o is offline
Master Shipwright
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: The Mouth of the Chaumont River, Ny.
Posts: 24,517
Default Re: aluminum hull wobbly after removing foam

Quote:
I rebuilt the floor using aluminum T-bar spanning the hull and resting on each chine with mdo plywood on top. (Tried to attach T-bar to chines using 3m 4200 with limited success.)
Ayuh,....

It ain't the Foam,.....

You took all the structure out of the hull,+ Replaced it with Bubblegum......
__________________
Any Grease is Better,..... Than No Grease at All.......

NO PM's (Private Messages) regarding boat/engine problems. That is what these forums are for.
They will be Deleted
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old July 1st, 2008, 09:34 PM
Bob_VT's Avatar
Bob_VT Bob_VT is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Castleton, VT USA
Posts: 11,514
Default Re: aluminum hull wobbly after removing foam

You would be better using aluminum pop rivets, or bolts, or even west system epoxy which will not give when secured.
__________________
"When you see yourself doing something badly and nobody’s bothering to tell you anymore, that’s a very bad place to be. Your critics are your ones telling you they still love you and care." Randy Pausch 1960-2008 The Last Lecture

SpinnerBait_Nut's Member Map Link Please add yourself http://www.frappr.com/iboats
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old July 1st, 2008, 10:51 PM
Mark42's Avatar
Mark42 Mark42 is online now
Fleet Admiral
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 7,687
Default Re: aluminum hull wobbly after removing foam

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bond-o View Post
Ayuh,....

It ain't the Foam,.....

You took all the structure out of the hull,+ Replaced it with Bubblegum......
Oh, my. I missed that. All that is holding the cross braces in place is glue?

Time to remove it all and start over. Attach the braces with aluminum nuts and bolts or rivets.

Foam will add a significant amount of rigidity, even if the cross braces are not properly installed.
__________________
1985 Bayliner 1600 Capri Cuddy, 1965 MFG Niagara Custom. >> MFG Video<<. >> MFG Project<< >>Bayliner Hard Top Project<< >>Bayliner Fuel Tank Project<<


Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old July 2nd, 2008, 12:04 AM
martinmariner martinmariner is offline
Cadet
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 3
Default Re: aluminum hull wobbly after removing foam

O.K. guys, let me try to explain. The old plywood deck was resting on the old saturated foam with no attachments to the hull, chines or anything. The new aluminum T-bar is only to support the deck and was never meant by me to provide rigidity or structural integrity to the hull whatsoever. The 4200 was an attempt to somewhat secure the new deck to the boat itself so that I could avoid thru-hull fasteners. It is actually holding nicely and the T-bars or decking does not move. I appreciate the word on the 4 and 2 lb. foam and would love any more info. on those. (Best place to purchase without ordering on-line. I live in Portland, OR.)
Again, my sincere thanks for your time and expertise.
-Martin
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old July 2nd, 2008, 01:19 AM
cordell's Avatar
cordell cordell is offline
Petty Officer 1st Class
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 271
Default Re: aluminum hull wobbly after removing foam

http://www.uscomposites.com/foam.html


cordell
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Removing foam EJ3 Boat Restoration and Building 14 February 11th, 2008 02:12 AM
1992 Aluminum Boat needs a good cleaning of the Aluminum Hull What works best?? sigarmsp226 Boat Topics and Questions (not engine topics) 10 December 15th, 2007 07:35 AM
removing tar from aluminum hull? reelfishin Boat Restoration and Building 10 August 20th, 2007 11:26 PM
Aluminum hull: removing reg numbers mystro Boat Topics and Questions (not engine topics) 3 July 20th, 2007 11:09 PM
Under 18' Which is best fiberglass hull or aluminum hull? monoshock Boat Topics and Questions (not engine topics) 12 July 11th, 2005 08:08 PM

iboats Forum Directory
Over 100,000 forum posts organized by topic
Outboard Motor Topics
Mercury Outboards
Johnson Outboards
Evinrude Outboards
Force Outboards
Yamaha Outboards
Mariner Outboards
Suzuki Outboards
Honda Outboards
Chrysler Outboards
Tohatsu Outboards
Nissan Outboards
Outboard Motors: non-repair
Vintage Outboards

I/O and Inboard Topics
MerCruiser
OMC I/O, Inboard
Volvo Penta

Propeller Help
Boat Propellers

Boat Repair and Products
Boat Building and Repair
Fiberglass Boat Repair
Marine Electronics
Boat Trailers and Towing
Boat Names
Boat Covers
Boat Parts

Boating Activities Talk
Boating Topics and Questions
Boating Activities and Destinations
Boating Blunders
Boat Shows
Wakeboarding
Water Skiing

Fishing Discussions
Freshwater Fishing
Saltwater Fishing

Boat Type Topics
Aluminum Boats
Bass Boats
Bowrider Boats
Center Console Boats
Cruiser Boats
Cuddy Cabin Boats
Deckboats
Fishing Boats
Fish and Ski Boats
Houseboats
Jet Boats
Jon Boats
Pontoon Boats
Powerboats
PWC Forum
Ski Boats
New Boats
Used Boats

Boat Manufacturers
Boats 250+ Manufacturers
Bayliner Boats
Sea Ray Boats
Zodiac Boats



Outboards

Power Heads

Lower Units

Propellers

Inflatable Boats

Boat Manuals

Engine Parts

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:07 PM.