Losing our Democracy

LFK

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This government invades a country contrary to the UN charter, condones torture, outs a CIA operative, ignores warrants for wiretaps, selectively leaks classified information for partisan gain, rounds up thousands of American Muslims without evidence, incarcerates hundreds at Guantánamo without charges or lawyers, and asserts the power to ignore hundreds of duly enacted laws because of an unending war on terror--and then Bush urges the world to follow his devotion to "the rule of law."

One more ingredient added to this stew makes it unusually toxic. Bush uses the catastrophe of 9/11 as a license to engage in all kinds of illegal or unprecedented behavior. But awful as that day was, 9/11 is not more important than the U.S. Constitution and over two hundred years of democratic progress. We can't allow that horror to license a group of phony patriots to trample on the values of our flag far more than a few fools who annually burn it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-green/losing-our-democracy-to-t_b_27486.html

I know some of the people who drank the administrations punch (or had it force fed to them when they were growing up) won’t even read this; I hope I’m wrong. I don’t agree with everything this guy says, but I do believe that our current administration says one thing, does another, and is full of corporate & religious-right lackeys.
 

jtexas

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Your facts stood for themselves; using words like "phony patriots", "fools", and "lackeys" detracts from your message and gives the phonies, fools and lackeys the opportunity to divert from the real issues to argue about the name-calling.

Hey, it's just an opinion.
 

LFK

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jtexas said:
Your facts stood for themselves; using words like "phony patriots", "fools", and "lackeys" detracts from your message and gives the phonies, fools and lackeys the opportunity to divert from the real issues to argue about the name-calling.

Hey, it's just an opinion.

I agree!
 

kenimpzoom

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If you think we are at war, then you will agree with everything Bush has done.

If you dont believe there is a current war, you wont like what he has done.

I firmly believe we are at war and I trust my president to do the best job he can to win the war. He may make mistakes, but he will win it.

FYI, we made mistakes in WWII. Remember the Japanese camps? I know eavesdropping and internal spying took place back then. If you want to win, these things are required.

The real judgement will be when we win the war, the secrets will stop and our freedom will be restored.

Ken
 

oddjob

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And we never landed on the moon neither....:/I need some co co puffs..
 

jtexas

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"He will win it" - I sure hope you're right...I'm not convinced it'll end before his term does...and I'm not convinced he's convinced either. How will we know when it's over?
 

eeboater

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LFK said:
www.huffingtonpost.com/

And you talk about US drinking the "punch." When has Huffington thought about anything objectively?
 

LFK

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I agree that the source was biased. I also agree that there are kool-aid drinkers galore on both sides of the aisle.

There are also those of us who are tired of watching elected officials on both sides (which side has been in power since 2000?) pander to corporations, make decisions based on religious beliefs, and spend money on pork barrel projects like it’s a never ending renewable resource. It’s only gotten worse under the current administration, and the excuse that things changed on 9/11 doesn’t cut it with me anymore (that's not why we went to Iraq). We have given up some liberties, and I’m okay with giving up some freedom in order to be more safe. What I’m not okay with is the notion that if you aren’t with the administration, then you are not patriotic. That mindset/propaganda/whatever in combination with the continued squandering of our resources while corporations are making out like bandits, is why people identify threads of truth in biased sources like The Huffington Post.

What would it be like if the party in power (the self-proclaimed party of smaller government, fiscal responsibility, and moral fiber) lived in a manner that clearly represented what they say they stand for? Wouldn’t that be novel?
 

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Pack of gossip, distortions and outright lies, LFK.

A classic troll.

By the way, we never were a democracy. We were, and are, a federal republic.
 

kenimpzoom

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LFK you and I agree on one thing, I am tired of all polticians pandering to big business. They are all guilty of it. We need to CTRL-ALT-DEL all of them and start over.

But there are wayyyy to many sheeple for that to happen so we gotta deal with what we got.

I for one am not happy at all with the republicans, but I would even be more unhappy with the democrats and thus I vote accordingly.


Ken
 

12Footer

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LFK, I can understand your confusion with the world around you. Your minions have been in all positions of power all of your life. Yet, today, those you call "corporate & religious-right lackeys" are. Those you thought were "disposable" or "ignorable" in those seats of power are suddenly changing the direction of this country. They have ripped the riegns away from foreign puppet masters, and against much whining and crying from those unseated, are placing the reigns back into the hands of the people. They are taking decissive action against those who would hijack commercial airliners and fly them into buildings full of innocent people, where in past encounters such acts were ignored, or at best, handled like a police investigation of foreign bank robbers!

Moreover, you are not used to seeing moral values rule the direction of this country,. as you were brought-up on "if it feels good, do it", "Make love, not war", pornography and child-porn a mere keystroke away from you, encouraging actual CLUBS like N.A.M.B.L.A.!!
Your ideas of what is morally permissable were no doubt instilled in you by day care personel.
You, an average US citizen between the ages of 25 and 45, have been indoctrinated by a public school system rife with the ideals of "welfare" and "free" lunches.
To be frank, I did not bother to click the link you provided. All I needed was to read your own paragraph to know your rage against Bush has given you yet one more clickable vent. Being a Christian (or "religous right lackey"), I see such examples of your rage on display daily, and from some very unexpected sides -- sides other than hollywood and the nightly ALnews (i see this because I do not patronise those same servers of such debauchery as you).

Those who forget history are indeed, doomed to repeat it. As i sit here watching a documentary on the history channel on "THE SS" of nazi Germany, persecution by national edict is clearly seen. What frightens me probably as much or more as this "loss of democracy" you elude to in your post, is the global leadership of today are repeating this purge of all things Jewish or Christian, in favor of any force powerfull enough to do it....
And God help us -- there is such a force. It wears as many uniforms as there are armies, yet it's most useful uniform (outside of it's turbined leadership) is none at all. It walks amoung us.
Yet, even some freedom-loving people around the world are willing to support them, in the interest of getting their most numerous enemies silienced. Oh, there truely IS a "spiked punch", but it's you and your ilk who are partaking of it these days. Since "Bush stole the election" in 2000, your heart ,and the hearts of your abandoned masters, have been blighted and on your sleaves for all to see. It's clear what drives you. And that drive is anger and resentment.. God help us all, but you'll be in my prayers also.







 

jtexas

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12Footer have you ever considered blogging? You have the style for it.

Note: hard as it may be to believe, that is not sarcasm. 8)
 

12Footer

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jtexas said:
12Footer have you ever considered blogging? You have the style for it.

Note: hard as it may be to believe, that is not sarcasm. 8)
Well, Thanks ( ithink).
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I thought I was bloggin... Just goes to show ya what i know of "all things internet".
:/ 8)

 

Boomyal

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12Footer said:
You, an average US citizen between the ages of 25 and 45, have been indoctrinated by a public school system rife with the ideals of "welfare" and "free" lunches.

12, you need to learn to be brief. With just the above, you captured all in a nutshell.;)
 

Link

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Well I'm not exactly sure what blogging is either.
So I'll just say, well said 12 footer.
 

JB

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Can't say it any better than 12Footer.

BTW, Huffington is an Iranian agent bent on creating civil strife.
 

LFK

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JB said:
BTW, Huffington is an Iranian agent bent on creating civil strife.
No, that's Rove. Huffington is Greek.
 

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Since this is the single ugliest troll I have ever seen on this board LFK, will you list some of the democracies (freedoms) that President Bush has taken away and how it has inconvenienced you personally so that we may all try to understand why you feel as you do?
 

LFK

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agitator said:
Since this is the single ugliest troll I have ever seen on this board LFK, will you list some of the democracies (freedoms) that President Bush has taken away and how it has inconvenienced you personally so that we may all try to understand why you feel as you do?

I would think trolling would be insinuating wrong assumptions concerning other forum members, for the purpose of slander/making them angry/getting a yuk from the support base.

If trolling is posting something someone else said for the purpose of starting a discussion or enlisting comments from board members, than I’m guilty.

What’s Bush done? It’s not just Bush I have an issue with, it’s the whole leadership base of our country. And to answer your question, besides getting us into a war in a country where we should not have gone, raising our national deficit to an all time record high, and spending money as fast as they can get it from us, he hasn’t taken anything from me that I don’t willingly give. I’m a white, upper middle class man. I’m heterosexual, pay my taxes, and am working on a pension. I have a nice sized savings account and money in stocks. So my personal “inconvenience” is minimal. If this was 1861 and you were asking me what slavery had done to hurt me, or what the institution of slavery had taken from me, my answer would be the same. Thank whatever G/god you want that some people don’t have to be personally impacted to see the need for change.

What bothers me the most is not what he/they do, it’s what he/they allow to continue……


http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=reports_porkbarrelreport


http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=earmarkdatabase


http://councilfor.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=reports_Ratings_Intro

Less words, more figures….

http://councilfor.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=reports_Ratings_AtaGlance

I was born and raised a Republican. I was told it was the party for smaller government and fiscal responsibility. The suits currently running our country are neither. They are all about making money for their friends and securing consulting positions for their retirement.
 
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