Last spring I bought a Yamaha F100TXRY. The dealer said it was a new motor. I Believe it was, but he failed to tell me it was a year 2000 motor. I assumed I was buying a 2002. My question is: What was a fair price in April 2002 for a new 2000 F100TXRY? I think I've been had. Thanks in advance.
Muddy,The cost difference is probably very little, especially if it is a four stroke.If the model and serial numbers are on the buyers order, you have no recourse.
The re-sale value would be the concern. If you plan on keeping it for 10 Years, I wouldn't worry about it. Of course, that depends on what you paid. Hopefully you got a decent discount for a 2 year old/new motor. I have to believe that if it were a car you were buying, you would surely have asked what year it was.
Thanks for the replies. Next time I'll be more careful. I have to say, though, I don't have to ask what year truck I'm going to buy. The year is clearly printed on the sticker/invoice, etc. In this case, the year is embedded in the model code and was not not made clear to me. I'll consider this a learning experience, and avoid this dealer at any cost. I won't put my faith in a dealer who lies to me when the chips are down offshore. Thanks again.
the Yamaha code isn't hard to understand-here it is for next time/general reference...U=96..V=97...W=98...X=99...Y=00...Z=01 ...A=02...B=03...and so on
then I wouldn't worry... keep track of engine hrs.,do proper maint. and keep records. low hrs. wouldkeep value up (unless yur sellin her tomorrow)even then, don't think it's a huge diff.my .02,M.Y.
Back to the original topic. Muddy, why don't you identify your location and name the dealership. You might save someone else the same problem and irritation.
OK everyone, you asked for a moderator and you got one.I deleted posts that I did not believeadded any pertinant information to the question and comment.I'm sorry if I stepped on anyones toes, but we all know that flaming and solicitations are not allowed on the technical boards.
Muddy Water; I feel your frustration. I purchased a used boat and recently found out too that the dealer misrepresented the year of the motor by 2 years. My insurance rep only asked for the make, model and serial number. They insured me for the year of the motor which they verified from their microfiche. I called them and asked what and how they insured the motor. Had I not been trying to locate an owners manual on the particular motor, I would have not known until I went somewhere for service or tried to sell the motor to a really savy buyer. I intend to seek 50% of the monetary difference between the two model years. It will be in the dealers best interest to go along with me on this. As for your situation, what is the actual price difference from 2000 to 2002? What and how many technical modifications, technical bulletins or recalls were made to that size motor over the two years based on what the manufacturer learned through problems reported and testing. It was in the dealers best interest to sell you the older motor. It does not matter that the motor was new because it is still 2 years old. You will have to absorb the loss if you choose to sell the motor in three years because the motor will be five years old. If I were the buyer, I would'nt give a Damn about you buying the motor new at two years old. I would expect to pay fair market value on a five year old motor based on book values. The longer the dealer keeps the motor in his showroom new only affects him as he should offer a good discount to unload the motor from his inventory. I hope you seek and receive some sort of satisfaction from this dealer.Ghostrider
Muddy,Do you have a sale bill with the motor year specified? If so, I'd take it back and gripe loudly.You could get a Bimini top or other accessories out of it, if you explain the errors of their ways. Good luck.
These days, I gripe for a little while and if nothing goes the way it should then I get legal on them. Miloman's right about tainting the whole experience for a person. My favorite place in the world is on my boat with friends or family, and when you connect your boat with dirt-bags at dealerships it's no fun. The moderator is doing the right thing by not allowing me to flame the dealer. We'll let the judge decide. My good friend the lawyer says I have a slam-dunk case. Now I don't like what lawyers do most of the time, but if the dealer wronged me it will show in court, and it's my responsibility to keep this from happening to others. If only I could be a fly on the wall at this shop, what I would learn-it makes me cringe. By the way, I discovered the model year situation after the motor was idling rough and stalling at low speeds. Turned out, (at least the dealer said), it was obstructed and/or varnished carbs. I do believe that's what the problem was, but how can this happen when I sta-bil and ring-free the gas immediately upon purchase? The boat was idle for a maximum of three weeks this winter. Anyway, that's a discussion for another topic, (which I will post later). My point is, while it was in for repairs, I was treated rudly when I called, they seemed to have no time for me, the boat wasn't done when promised, and I couldn't get a straight story on what was wrong for days. The red flags went up and I caught them on the model year cheat scam.I could go on but please, take my advice: Don't buy anything in a hurry,(if you can avoid it), Do thorough research on the dealer and the product, run the cleanest gas you can find in your 4 stroke, and have it profesionally maintained once a year.
if'n I had a brand new motor in the shop andsuddenly found out it was 2yrs older than Ithought, I'd be miffed also. can understandvarnished carbs... been sitting in a crate for2yrs... varnish has had long time to harden!top all this off with poor cust. service andI'm callin a mouthpiece too!here's a quicker, less expensive road you maywant to consider: if you plan on keeping this motor for extended period, offer the dealer asettlement. he pays the $ for an extended warrantyand you get it serviced elsewhere?am curious though...did you get a "great deal" onthe set-up?good luck,M.Y.ps. sorry for steppin' on yur post yesterday...glad the calvary finally arrived to save the day
I've bought several motors that were 2 or more model years old brand new. They all had full warranties and ran fine, of course I was aware of their age. The important thing to remember is the dealer had these model motors because they were slow movers AND I pressed for substancial discounts in the 35% off range + freebee's. One motor I got for 70% off NIB/2 years old. The rig you have I suppose is financed in a package, and it would be very difficult for the dealer to "exchange" anything. For me, I would simply ask for an extended warranty equal to the factory warranty for the sum total of the model year difference you have. I agree that the dealers actions may be sleezy but unless you paid cash for the rig it is going to be hard to work somethng out because of the third party envolvement of the finance company. There is lemon law in some states that you may be able to use to your advantage, and of course their is legal action you can take. Be aware that you must ask for legal fees and any other expenses that have accrued because of the dealers actions. Some courts will not automaticly award these to you will have an additional hearing to determine this....
Muddy Water; It looks like the cavalry has come to the rescue with good sound suggestions. I hope you get some sort of satisfaction when you conclude your litigation with the dealer. I too agree that this forum is not the place to flame a dealer. The posts that have been added to this thread exemplify what this forum is about. I know I will be able to keep my boat for a long time because of the assistance I know i'll get from this forum. As for your dealer, an extended warranty would be a good consulation over legal consultation. As we say when we play poker, "Dealers Choice". Good luck Muddy.Ghostrider
Thanks to all of the good advice. My single most important question, however, was not answered: What was a fair price in April 2002 for a new F100TXRY? I know at the very least, that I will be satisfied in the knowledge that this particular dealer will never see me again. I pay cash. I need a new duck boat, and my family is growing, I will need a bigger boat soon. I am an excellent customer, but I don't tolerate lying, poor customer service and rude behavior. I wouldn't buy a washer from this place. Boats are mostly a luxury item, and when the economy slows, boat sales are usually some of the first casualties. Soon, survival of the fittest will do it's job, and I'll be surprised to see this dealer in business two years from now. I've seen it happen to one dealer and one boat maker I've dealt with in the recent past. Let your money do the talking and take it to someone who appreciates your business.
don't know MW but maybe yur insurance co. canlook up/tell you? replacement value of currentmotor vs. an '02.still cuious... did you get a great deal when youbought it or did you pay '02 pricing?good luck,M.Y.
Muddy Water Not sure what they got in 2000, but I did find this:2000 25" YAMAHA F100TXRY 3 YEAR WARRANTY $5,500.00 NEW2001 25" YAMAHA F100TXRZ 3 YEAR WARRANTY $6,900.00 NEWAnd from another source:2000 YAMAHA F100TXRY RETAIL PRICE $8,350.00Price: $7,000.00 NEWAll these are prices now. Hopefully you can compare and see how well you did.
Muddy Water; The difererence in price should be reflective in todays book values of the two years in question. Also as stated in an earlier post your insurance rep may be able to provide some insite as to real replacement value. That should be a pretty good representative figure also. Good Luck!Ghostrider
Hey Muddy,Just browsing over the old forums.You have me entranced with curiosity.Did you go to court over this situation? How did you fare out in the end?
My Yamaha dealer has cheated me.
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