remove VRO

Johnson Killer

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1990 GT 100 VJ100SLESB would like to take off the VRO system. Questions about the crankcase pulse line and fuel flow form tank to engine. Thanks.
 

OBJ

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Re: remove VRO

Welcome Willy!<br /><br />You don't really need to remove the pump. Just plug the oil inlet on the lower engine pan, disconnect the alarm connector and premix the fuel in the tank. That's all there is to it.<br /><br />Is the pump giving you trouble or something?
 

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Thank You, Yes it is. Can't blame it all on the VRO system because im dumb. Leaking fuel, ran ruff,would'nt start,lost high end RPM, compression in #1 80. the other three are 120. so i guess i need a new engine? Thank You for your help. JK
 

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Let's just hold the phone for a minute Willy.....<br /><br />You got one cylinder at 80psi and the other three at 120.....wouldn't think VRO until I pulled the heads and took a peek inside. The VRO is common to all the cylinders and if there was a problem with the pump, it would effect all the cylinders and not just the one....that's why we need to take a peek and see what's up.<br /><br />Yes....ya' shoulda' did some lookin' and fixin' when it started running ruff and you had a loss of rpm. But....that's behind and we need to see what the damages are. You have a proven block and would (IMHO) be worth the rebuild. I would think if you look at the cylinders you will probably find a scuff in #1...probably caused from running lean.<br /><br />But enough speculation....why not take a look and see.....post back with what you find.<br /><br />EDIT: Any other info you can give on the maint. of the engine would prove helpful...like when the impeller was last changed out, was the engine running at normal temp...etc.
 

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DITTO... what OBJ said, ;)
 

seahorse5

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Read these links about the VRO and how it is blamed erroneously for many problems. Your problem is only 1 cylinder which suggests detonation from a gummed or restricted carb, overheating (hotspot), or over-propping. Stuck piston rings from carbon buildup is also a very common problem, especially if the motor was run without thermostats or with inoperative thermostats.<br /><br /> http://forums.iboats.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=000028 <br /><br /> http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/VRO.html
 

Johnson Killer

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OBJ I've used this engine ever week for 15yr with regular tune ups like spark plugs,lower end oil and seals, Three years ago a new timming base,But the trouble all started when i got stuck in a sand bar. I don't think i over heated it but i sure pluged up the water pump. knew impeller and housing kit, Thermostats and cleaned it out.Right away it did'nt quite have the strong rpms like before. It became hard to start and when i put it in nutral it would die. If there is a scuff in #1 can i just put new rings in the one hole? Thanks JK
 

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Depends Willy. You'll need to get some measurements on the hole and see if just honing is an option......if the scuff isn't real bad. You only got about .004 to play with and that ain't a lot.<br /><br />Now this is a lot of assuming without knowing whats' in the holes. But, again assuming it's just a scuff, you can just bore one hole and hone and re-ring the others. But again all the holes will need miked to make sure they are still in spec. Generally, you don't have to go over .020 to get rid of a scuff.<br /><br />But, again, we really need to open up the holes and take a look. And, if you do decide to rebuild, don't forget the carbs. Over haul them as part of the engine rebuild.<br /><br />A long shot here, have you ever decarbed the engine? On occasion, a good decarb can bring an engine back to life. Several products on the market to do this job and it's easy. Why I mention decarb, you posted you have had regular maint on the engine but spoke nothing of decarb. It's possible that the ring(s) of #1 pistion could be sticking and giving you the low compression reading. A decarb could free up the rings and get the engine back on track.<br /><br />Lot of stuff to throw at ya' Willy but covering all the bases can help getting the overall job done and done right.<br /><br />And just one more thing..... :) .....if you don't have a service manual for the engine, get one. Get the OEM and not the generics. The OEM's give you specific info on your specific engine as well as step by step instructions on maint including rebuild. Ken Cook, marine.com all sell reprints of the manuals and have sites from which to order on line.<br /><br />OK.....I'm done........for now.
 

Johnson Killer

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Thanks OBJ for the help, I have decarb the engine about three times in 15 yrs. I have the Clymar-48-235hp very helpful. I will pull the head and look see whats up with #1. Again Thanks OBJ for helping somebody that Loves hes Boat and Motor.JK
 

OBJ

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Not a problem Willy. Don't hesitate to post any other questions you may have.....Good Luck!
 
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Willy, <br /><br />My $.02 worth. I love crossflow V-4's, like you have.<br /><br />However, it has been my personal experience that it takes very little stoppage of cooling water to harm #1.<br /><br />More than likely, your damage is not that bad and completely repairable.<br /><br />A water pressure guage, if you do not have one, is a must.
 

Johnson Killer

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I pulled the head off and whoops I melted the piston. Top center is all pitted with a devit and the exhaust side is missing about an inch of piston and rings, Can you say HOT. I can't belive I still had it running, well kind da. There is a very light grove exhaust side of wall. New power head or rebuld. Thanks everyone..JK P.S. Im leanning towards a new one.
 
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