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    Thanks everyone. I really appreciate the advice. It feels like such a big investment that I want to do it right the first time. I'm going to go visit several dealerships this weekend and try to get a feeling for each. Thanks again.

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    I like the Etecs better less service Change the plugs,water seperator, and impeller every three years or 300 hours and keep gas/fuel mixed. ETECS are almost as quiet as a 4 banger and I really like bombardier.

    Me,my grandpa, and my stepdad have three boats in total one has a brandnew 08 4-stroke 60 horse merc bigfoot which I do like quiet and pushes our 24 foot bently to around 18 mph at WOT. The other two one is a 84 evinrude 115 runs great pushes the 17'6" cheetah plenty fast for me the last a 73 25hp johnson runs great.

    I would go for the ETEC if it were my choice, Honda's are good motors tho.

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    If it's two stroke vs. 4 stroke and the question is power then the two stroke should always win since the two stroke produces power on every other revolution where the 4 stroke only produces power on every 4th revolution. That explains why you might go faster at any given RPM with a two stroke.

    In the recent past the 4 strokes were much heavier than any two strokes but recently that seems to have changed. There isn't a huge difference now that Manufacturers are building two strokes that meet minimal EPA standards.

    Politics aside, we are currently faced with the possibility that many outboard motors will not be able to meet new state controlled emmission standards. The motors that will most likely be able to meet the standards will be those that are more recent engineering marvels like the Etec two stroke and new 4 strokes.

    As for which motor lasts longer, that's a toss up because the variables are too highly dependent upon conciencous owners. I would tend to think that a resonably maintained 4 stroke would outlast a two stroke simply because they lubricate themselves so well. A two stroke relies on fuel to carry it's lubricant to crucial points where a 4 stroke has an independent oil pump or pickup that ensures that lubrication is always available, (provided you put oil in it).

    Longevity is not always a consumer related problem as most of us are aware. There are lemons in the apple box. Honda's were known to have small water inlets that clogged easily and cause cracked blocks when they overheated, (I still can't figure out why the operators didn't know the motor was overheating). This was not a big problem for Honda because the only ones affected were those that ran in algae infested lakes or drug them through the mud.

    In summary, If it's a question over a Honda or an Etec, I'd be happy with either but a new Etec would really make me smile. If it's four stroke vs. two stroke, I think I'd have to go with 4 stroke if I was buying new. Only because of the very real possibility of totally insane new emmission standards. I think the 4 strokes will live and the two strokes will get burried unless they are ready to ramp up to Etec standards, (which will probably have to improve also).

    That's my two cents.. don't mean squat but it felt good..

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    [QUOTE=sschefer;1955933]If it's two stroke vs. 4 stroke and the question is power then the two stroke should always win since the two stroke produces power on every other revolution where the 4 stroke only produces power on every 4th revolution. That explains why you might go faster at any given RPM with a two stroke.


    As for which motor lasts longer, that's a toss up because the variables are too highly dependent upon conciencous owners. I would tend to think that a resonably maintained 4 stroke would outlast a two stroke simply because they lubricate themselves so well. A two stroke relies on fuel to carry it's lubricant to crucial points where a 4 stroke has an independent oil pump or pickup that ensures that lubrication is always available, (provided you put oil in it).







    I complety agree with this this is what i have been trying to explain

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    Twice in this thread this statement was used: -- the two stroke produces power on every other revolution where the 4 stroke only produces power on every 4th revolution. -- which is very wrong.

    Two strokes produce power on EVERY revolution (which consists of two strokes -- one up and one down). A four stroke produces power on EVERY OTHER revolution (which consists of four strokes -- two up and two down). Intake (down stroke), compression (up stroke), power (down stroke) and exhaust (up stroke). Or for those of you who like a little humor -- suck, squeeze, bang and blow!

    To clarify this, every cylinder on a two stroke motor fires every revolution. Every cylinder on a four stroke engine fires every second revolution.

    As for top speed, if both engine have the same gearing, same prop, same boat, and both engines are capable of reving the same at WOT the speed will be the same. Two strokes typically have an advantage because as I pointed out earlier, they can twist props with a little more pitch and in some cases 4-strokes need to be geared lower to provide better hole shot.

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    Thanks for the clarification, ST. I noticed thae mistake as well, but chose not to mention it. I find myself sometimes holding back, because I don't want to sound like a person who constantly has to disagree. Since this is a forum that is basically educational in nature, however, I think that its important to point out such misconceptions.

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    I won't quote all Silvertips marvelous explanation but I will admit he is correct. My bad.. I must have had RPM's on my mind. Probably why I always manage to drop a distributor in 180 out the first time.. LOL.

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    oooooppppss

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    I let it go the first time because I did feel it was indeed an "oops". When it appeared the second time, I felt corrective action was necessary. I certainly don't mean to be confrontational when I point out errors. But errors tend to be repeated and when repeated long enough they tend to become accepted as fact and can affect how long some of these threads become.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silvertip View Post
    I let it go the first time because I did feel it was indeed an "oops". When it appeared the second time, I felt corrective action was necessary. I certainly don't mean to be confrontational when I point out errors. But errors tend to be repeated and when repeated long enough they tend to become accepted as fact and can affect how long some of these threads become.
    Absolutely agree and thank you, I for one appreciate your dillegence!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sschefer View Post
    Absolutely agree and thank you, I for one appreciate your dillegence!
    Ditto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonesg View Post
    Buy American.I would like to see how many honda 4 bangers are still around 20 yrs from now. I know the American outboard is time tested.
    http://www.honda-marine.com/Why/WhyChoose.aspx

    Oh yeah...how about 40 years from now??

    Do you really believe what you're saying about these outboards?? Yeah, I know, lets stand behind our American workers, factories, homes, families, parents, children............

    Or lets just buy something that doesn't have planned obsolescense engineered into it. That's why Toyotas made in America by Americans are the top selling vehicle for the past several years. They are designed better than domestic vehicles. And guess what? So are the Japaneese outboards.

    Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Tohatsu are some of the best outboards being made.

    Look at a JD Powers chart for outboards. Or automobiles. This is not a knock against the American worker. Somehow, the Japaneese have figured out how to design and engineer something better than we have.

    Check out what the US COAST GUARD uses on their small boats. Those Honda motors are being run 8-10,000 hours. No major rebuilds.

    I expect to hear from all the Merc/'Rude/Johnson/Mariner/Force/Chrysler fans......so be it.
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    You're safe on ERude & Johnson. While they are still "American," they aren't built in the U.S. any more. Both are owned by Bombardier, which is a Canadian company.

    One thing I feel compelled to say, however, is that I think the thing about Japanese cars being much better than U.S. built cars, is not enirely accurate. They a great cars, no doubt, but just what constitutes being "better built?"

    I have a nine year old Chevy Astro with about 170,000 miles on it. Other than a burned out "multi-function" switch (controls emergency flashers and brake lights), I've had no problems with the car. The only maintenance that I've done to it has been the stuff that is entirely expected, such as brakes, tires, front end parts, etc.

    I've owned Japanese cars (Isuzu & Mazda) and can't say that they're really all that amazing. Not only that, but those who like driving Ford Rangers and Explorers are driving vehicles that are mostly Mazda parts anyway.

    My next car will most likely be a GM, and that isn't out of some "mom & apple pie, pry the gun out of my dead hands" loyalty to U.S. made products. It is simply because any car that costs less than the competition on purchase price and maintenance, yet can be expected to give me 200,000+ miles of reliable service, is the one I want to own.

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    Jap vehicles sold more than American vehicles don`t mean they are BETTER.I see idiots driving both.Just more idiots driving jap.I remember Pearl Harbor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay_merrill View Post
    They a great cars, no doubt, but just what constitutes being "better built?"
    Therein lies the problem. It’s like determining performance of an outboard – We all have somewhat differing criteria and priorities. I’d say some valid measures of “better built” could be, Quality, (as measured by absence of problems), Dependability, and Customer Retention.

    JD Power & Associates
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    Of the Top Ten,
    #2 Infinity, #3 Lexus, #5 Toyota, #7 Honda
    #6 Mercury, #8 Ford
    Plus, Porsche, Mercedes, Jaguar, and Audi
    http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...e-#page-anchor

    2008 Vehicle Dependability Study

    #1 Lexus, #4 Toyota, #5 Acura, #9 Honda
    #2 Mercury, #3 Cadillac, #6 Buick, #8 Lincoln
    Plus BMW, Jaguar
    http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...e-#page-anchor

    New-Vehicle Buyer Retention

    #1 Honda, #2 Toyota, #3 Lexus
    http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/new...df/2008265.pdf

    So, American car dependability isn’t bad, but the domestic brands lag in initial quality, and probably most importantly in retaining their customers.

    Similar to what Toyota and Honda have done in the US automotive market, Yamaha, Honda, and Suzuki have done in the outboard market – Introduced a better product and slowly, but surely sucked up large amounts of market share and gained many loyal customers.

    And james williams, while I agree that Pearl Harbor was a despicable and horrific act, it was 68 years ago. We won the war, we thoroughly punished the civilian Japanese population with atomic and incendiary bombs, and they have been pretty fair allies and hosts to our bases for over 60 years now. I’d call it even, though I understand if you don’t. (Interesting bio BTW)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jevery View Post
    (Interesting bio BTW)
    But, jevery, the real question is .... is he Squidward?

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    Dang, Jay you're right. I would've bet money he was Steamboat Willie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tx1961whaler View Post
    I agree with "Buy American".
    Except that Evinrude is Canadian....
    BRP is a Canadian company but the Etecs are made in Wisconsin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by james williams View Post
    Jap vehicles sold more than American vehicles don`t mean they are BETTER.I see idiots driving both.Just more idiots driving jap.I remember Pearl Harbor.
    And you served your country and defended our honor??

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    Quote Originally Posted by triumphrick View Post
    And you served your country and defended our honor??

    I certainly did.
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    Yes.I went to Fairbanks,Alaska Nov.20 1963.Honorable discharge Sept.16 1965. I was in Infantry. I tryed to go to Vietnam.At that time `no draftees`.My Father-in-Law fought at the aleutian islands. He said there were 1000 japs left,their commander ordered to shoot themselves,rather than surrender.My two younger brothers spent a tour in nam. One still alive, one died.I had three or four Uncles was in ww2.I was born 7-14-41. Yes, I remember the war#2.Germany and the japs both tryed to take over the World . They failed,that time. Japan won`t fail this time.They won`t have to fire a shot. james

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    The Aleutians? I remember that one as the Japanese left before the U.S invasion force arrived. The only U.S. casualites were from friendly fire. Of course I could be wrong.
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    getting back to the purpose of this thread and not dockside chat.
    Maineman- did you get to get out and do some looking this weekend? what did you find?

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    TOHATSU GURU, You can read about it here.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutian_Islands

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    I went through this exact delema last spring. Honda vs E-tec. Both are great motors. I ended up with the E-tec for a couple of reasons.

    It is a lighter motor, big deal when you are maxing out a boat. I run and gun my boat, thus I thought the E-tec would be better for this. It was cheaper. I go to small lakes, where I am unable to have my motor in a full upright position to start. I have heard of people doing damage to their four strokes by doing this. I run my boat until ice up. I have experienced others around me having trouble starting their four stokes in the cold. I also like the minimal maintenance and winterizing, I'm lazy.

    I have had my motor for a year now. I do not know what my hours are right now. I know I did over 80 in two months. I have done nothing but put gas and oil in it.

    The E-tec is a very quiet clean motor. I am no longer choked out by the fumes like my old rude did. It uses very little gas. I have been complimented by four stokers on how quiet it is at idle, as we were having a boatside chat and I left it running. Yes at speed it is a bit louder, but so are the four strokes. I know for a fact that my 75 E-tec is quieter than my FIL's 15 Honda 4 stroke.

    Again, both are great motors.

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