I getting poor Gas mileage

madecool

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My 60hp 1980 hp Evinrude seems to be getting bad gas mileage. I only getting about 1 ½ mile per gallon.<br />How or what can I do to get better gas milage. Or is this about all I will get with this engine.
 

JB

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Re: I getting poor Gas mileage

Fuel mileage is affected by many things, Madecool.<br /><br />What boat do you have it on? What does it weigh? Is the bottom clean? Is the AV plate at or above bottom level? Do you have/are you using power T&T?<br /><br />Is your engine the 2 or 3 cylinder version? What rpm are you turning at WOT? What prop are you using? What rpm are you using when you are getting 1.5mpg? How are you measuring the mpg?<br /><br />See what I mean? :confused:
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: I getting poor Gas mileage

MadeCool.... MPG depends on the condition of the engine, the pitch of the propeller, and what size boat a certain hp engine might be installed on. Having a 75hp (whatever) engine on say a 35' boat, it stands to reason that fuel consumption would be quite high.<br /><br />I'd suggest checking that engine over as follows (applies to various engines). If you have it on a normal size boat, either you have something wrong with the engine or one terrible fuel leak somewhere.<br /><br />(General Engine Checks)<br /><br />First, check the compression. It should be approx 100+ psi and even on all cylinders. On some V/6 looper engines, the starter bendix will kick out if all of the spark plugs are removed. If this takes place, leave the spark plugs in, excepting the cylinder you're checking of course.<br /><br />NOTE..... If leaving the spark plugs in while you're checking the compression (V/6 Loopers), make sure that the ignition key is in the "OFF" position. You do not want that engine to start while you're doing that test. <br /><br />Next, with the s/plugs removed, check the spark. It should jump a 7/16" gap with a strong blue flame on all cylinders. (The s/plugs must be removed in order to obtain the highest rpm available). On engines 1972 and older, and engines without solid state ignition, set the tester gap to 1/4".<br /><br />Check the continuity of the ignition coils. Remove the primary orange wire from whatever it's connected to. It may be connected to a powerpack screw type terminal, a rubber plug connector, or it may simply plug onto a small boss terminal of the coil itself.<br /><br />Connect the black lead of a ohm meter to the spark plug boot terminal, then with the red ohm meter lead, touch the ground of the coil or the powerhead itself if the coil is still installed.<br /><br />Then touch (still with the red lead) the orange wire if it's attached to the coil, or if it's not attached, touch the primary stud of the coil. You should get a reading on both touches (contacts). If not, check the spring terminal inside the rubber boots of the spark plug wire. Poor or no continuity of a coil is one reason for s/plug fouling.<br /> <br />When removing the spark plugs, make a note of which s/plug came from what cylinder. They should all look alike, but if not, that difference should lead a mechanic in a certain direction.<br /> <br />Remove the spark plugs, then insert a screwdriver or some such object into the cylinder, and have it rest on top of the piston. Do not apply pressure to the screwdriver yet. You simply want to know where the piston is. Now, turn the flywheel by hand and get the piston to come up to dead top center, then drag it down about 1" by turning the flywheel. Now, hold the flywheel tightly and apply pressure to that screwdriver or whatever object you're using. If you can move that piston without moving the flywheel, that indicates that there is play in either the wrist pin area or at the crankshaft to connecting rod area. <br /><br />If the engine has been sitting for any length of time (a month or more), there's a very good possibility that the carburetor(s) are somewhat fouled/clogged/gummed. If so, they'll require removing, cleaning, and rebuilding.<br /> <br />Remove the carburetor face plate. Observe the carburetor(s) while you pump the fuel primer bulb. If fuel flows out of the carburetor(s), they will require removing, cleaning, and rebuilding.<br /><br />(With Engine Not Running) Check that the throttle plate butterflies are opening full (horizontal) when full throttle is applied. Also check to see that the timer base under the flywheel is advancing to the full spark advance point, up against the rubber cap of the spark advance stop screw.<br /><br />At the lower portion of the lower unit, there will be a large slotted screw. Loosen that screw to see if the unit has good lube, and to check for metal filings and water. Small fuzzy filings is acceptable. Sliver and/or splinter type slices/chips of metal are not! Water would indicate that the unit has faulty seals. The lower unit requires filling from that large slotted bottom screw until the lubricant flows out of the like screw higher up in the lower unit. Should your engine have a philips screw located in the skeg, do not remove it as that is a shoulder bolt type screw that is actually a pivot point for a internal shift lever.<br /> <br />Check, while under way, that the engine engages both forward and reverse properly, and that the engine does not jump out of forward gear at a high rpm.<br /> <br />If the engine is on a boat, check the steering to make sure that the steering rod moves in and out freely, and that the engine swivels freely in even degrees in each direction.<br /> <br />When running the engine, pulling each s/plug boot terminal off of the s/plugs should result in a even rpm drop through out.<br /> <br />Check that the PTT assy runs the engine up and down smoothly... and that it doesn't drift down on its own.<br /> <br />(As I think of more, I'll tweak this list)
 

madecool

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Re: I getting poor Gas mileage

I notice that under the flywheel there is a adjustment screw that positions the moving part ("timer base" maybe) looks some type of maybe spark advance adjustment screw . Well that screw adjust how far that part moves. when you give it gas it moves to that screw and that screw controls how far it moves forward. Should I adjust that screw because I have done it when the engine was running bad. I don't think I put it back in the same place as it was. Should I try adjusting it to see if it runs faster at different places. Where it is at now is just where I left after I played with it some. Does it have something to do with how this engine will run. <br />Since I played with it maybe I should put back in the right place. <br />..........................<br />I have drained the lower lube and replaced the bottom lube like instruction said 2 times (1 St time) when I first got it running (2 ND time) I did again yesterday. I notice that there was no metal each time but there was a white color. This is after about 30 miles of use the second time.<br /><br />I thinking about checking the compression next.<br />And checking the carburetor out more like you said<br />Thank you for the info.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: I getting poor Gas mileage

MadeCool..... That rubber capped adjustable screw is the full spark advance timing stop. Its adjustment is critical! Screw it too far in and you're running at a retarded spark setting. Screw it too far out and you will set up a condition known as pre-ignition which will certainly melt a piston or two.<br /><br />Reset that screw as follows with no deviation, no short cuts from the following instructions.<br /><br />(Timing At Cranking Speed 4°)<br /><br />The full spark advance can be adjusted without have the engine running at near full throttle as follows. <br /><br />To set the timing on that engine, have the s/plugs out, and have the throttle at full, set that timer base under the flywheel tight against the rubber stop on the end of the full spark timer advance stop screw (wire it against that stop if necessary). <br /><br />Rig a spark tester and have the spark gap set to 7/16". Hook up the timing light to the #1 plug wire. Crank the engine over and set the spark advance to 4° less than what the engine calls for. <br /><br />I don't know full spark advance setting your engine calls for, but to pick a figure, say your engine calls for 28°, set the timing at 24°. The reasoning for the 4° difference is that when the engine is actually running, due to the nature of the solid state ignition componets, the engine gains the extra 4°. <br /><br />If you set the engine to its true setting at cranking speed, when running it will advance beyond its limit by 4° which will set up pre-ignition causing guaranteed piston damage! You don't want that to take place. <br /><br />No need to be concerned about the idle timing as that will take care of itself. The main concern is the full advance setting. <br /><br />Be sure to use your own engines spark advance settings, not the one I picked out of the air here in my notes.
 

JerseyJim

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Re: I getting poor Gas mileage

the lower gear oil should come out the same color and condition you put it in at. You have a leaky seal for sure!! you should start there - not sure if this would affect fuel mileage, but it will affect long term lower unit life!
 

KenOhki

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Re: I getting poor Gas mileage

convert that miles to the galon to a galons per hour question and you can get a better answere. Someone someplace around one of these forums said, take your HP 60 move 1 dec to the left making 6.0, that is your rough galon per hour use prediction for WOT conditions,, varialbes will aftect this,, if your close, your normal, if your way off, something is wrong, the equation is almost exaaxt on my 15, 1,5 gal per hour cruizing WOT
 
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