Sink drain in basement

2fifty2

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I have no experience with anything plumming so....
Based on the couple pics, what do I need/do to hook the sink up to the drain coming from the kitchen and laundry room? The kit with the sink has the bend and some piping, I need to know where to tie into the house drain. Any rules of thumb for height relative to drain loop, easy to use fittings, special tools or sealant? I have the water source taken care of already, just need to drain.
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MikDee

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Re: Sink drain in basement

Being a retired pipefitter, I know how to do this, done it many times before, on that note, Where are you located? It would be easier for me to come over, and do it then explain it to you. Well, I'll try, just remember drain water has to go down. That being said, you need to cut the tailpiece on the sink as short as you can, leaving room to get the collar, & trap on. Then (as a trial, no gluing until the very end!) run a random length of pipe off the trap, towards the black drain pipe at a down pitch of 1/4" to the foot (or more) to an approximate spot on the middle of the black drain pipe, somewhere between the upper, & lower 45degree elbows, and mark it with a pencil sideways, & up, & down (that will be the approx. center of the drain ("Tee- Y") that the sink drain pipe will slip into. If it's too low, & runs into the lower 45degree Elbow, you have to move the whole assembly up (chock the sink legs up permanently) till you're high enough to make the connection, it looks pretty tight to me? Once you determine the right height, you have to cut out a section of the black pipe, to allow for the size of the Tee -Y (minus the slip in length of the top, & bottom of the black pipe). From the pics, it looks to me like you need a 3" pipe size Tee, with maybe a 1 1/2", or 2", Y section, depending on your trap size piping?) Ok now, once you put your Tee-Y in loosely by hand, turn it to face the sink drain piping, and measure what length pipe you need to go from the trap to the Tee-Y, (including the slip in dimension), Finally, fit it all together by hand, and once you are happy with the fit, take it apart, and glue it all together now, carefully, 1 piece at a time, and you're done! any questions, just ask away.good luck, Mike
 

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Mike that "black pipe" Is ABS pipe. You have to be careful that you use the correct solvent weld cleaner, primer, glue! I would not go about it that way but you can make it work like that. I would get the propper ABS fitting to connect in place of that lower 45 degree fitting. Also you will need a fitting to adapt the S&D pipe that you have at the bottom of the sink to fit that ABS pipe. Its not that hard to do but there is more involved than what was stated above. If you want to you could take those pics to your local Lowes store and show the plumbing specialist and ask him what they have and what you will need. I would do that as its hard to advise you not knowing what are you live in and what standards are used there and what the codes are for your state. Good luck and happy holidays!!
 

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Re: Sink drain in basement

Keep a couple of buckets and rags near by when you cut that drain pipe open... it could be pretty nasty inside there...
 

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Mike that "black pipe" Is ABS pipe. You have to be careful that you use the correct solvent weld cleaner, primer, glue! I would not go about it that way but you can make it work like that. I would get the propper ABS fitting to connect in place of that lower 45 degree fitting. Also you will need a fitting to adapt the S&D pipe that you have at the bottom of the sink to fit that ABS pipe. Its not that hard to do but there is more involved than what was stated above. If you want to you could take those pics to your local Lowes store and show the plumbing specialist and ask him what they have and what you will need. I would do that as its hard to advise you not knowing what are you live in and what standards are used there and what the codes are for your state. Good luck and happy holidays!!

I've seen black PVC, but I figure it's probably ABS, either way it's the same procedure, with different glue, solvent, & fittings, but your better off not messing with that lower elbow! plus there's not enough pipe under it to work with. Actually all you have to work with is that short piece of blk pipe between the elbows!, to put a Tee in, or a strap on a pipe outlet to plumb to. He may even be able to use some slip on rubber "no-hub" connecters with hose clamps also. I can only use so many words to describe it from afar, if you know what I mean, so don't say that I'm wrong. Either way he may still have to raise that sink, and put it on a firm permanent base to begin with to get the height.
 

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Re: Sink drain in basement

Thanks for the quick replies...
I kinda drew out a plan but wanted to get some more opinions - the trap is going almost immediately under the sink, I was going to T off the black pipe in the center section with some type of reduction (3 to 1.5 inch?) with a bend back to the sink. With some eyeballing I figured it should work. House is loacated in Wisconsin if that helps any. What is the easiest method to cutting the pipe-just get one of those pvc saws? Dremmel? House is only 4 years old so hopefully the black pipe isn't too nasty... Well, any other input then tomorrow night I'm off to lowes or HD to pick up some stuff. I plan on screwing the legs into the concrete and bulding a small bench next to it with some leftover 24x24 tiles for work surface...

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Re: Sink drain in basement

Isn't there a drain in the floor of your basement somewhere? Or, is it a sump pump that pumps into the street. I live in the country so things are different here.
 

2fifty2

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There is a drain in the floor Caveman, but it is 15 feet away smack dab in the middle of the basement and the sump is another 15 feet from that...
I wanted this to be a permanent fixture and not have to worry about tripping over hoses and whatnot..
 

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Re: Sink drain in basement

If the distance between the fitting that comes out of the concrete floor and the next fitting is 2 1/2 "or more you can cut that pipe in the middle between bottom fitting and fitting above. instal a Y fitting, then a pipe and maybe a 33 degree bend and a short length of pipe what ever length you want ( depending on how far you want sink away) then a pee trap. and your threaded compression coupler from A B S to your sink drain. No matter what distance you put the sink away , you need 1/4" to the foot fall in your horizontal pipe from below pee trap to fitting just above floor.
 

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If the distance between the fitting that comes out of the concrete floor and the next fitting is 2 1/2 "or more you can cut that pipe in the middle between bottom fitting and fitting above. instal a Y fitting, then a pipe and maybe a 33 degree bend and a short length of pipe what ever length you want ( depending on how far you want sink away) then a pee trap. and your threaded compression coupler from A B S to your sink drain. No matter what distance you put the sink away , you need 1/4" to the foot fall in your horizontal pipe from below pee trap to fitting just above floor.

Didn't I say all this, in other terms? just one thing, putting his trap right under the sink, gives him the best option to keep the most height to the drain, he doesn't need another trap.
 

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Just remember that water flows downhill except in the western United States where water flows toward money! :D
 

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Re: Sink drain in basement

My concern would be if the black pipe(s) will not move after you cut it, how do you get the coupler (T or Y) in? The one going into the floor won't move and I'm not sure the one going up will move either...
 

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My concern would be if the black pipe(s) will not move after you cut it, how do you get the coupler (T or Y) in? The one going into the floor won't move and I'm not sure the one going up will move either...
Having looked at the pic again, you have 1 fitting at floor level ,a short pipe then an elbow then a length of straight pipe then an elbow heading up to the kitchen. When you cut the longer straight pipe, you should get enough movement there to instal your y or t fitting. Keep the cut as low as you can.
 

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Re: Sink drain in basement

My concern would be if the black pipe(s) will not move after you cut it, how do you get the coupler (T or Y) in? The one going into the floor won't move and I'm not sure the one going up will move either...

I would use a Fernco or 2. You can even get a Fernco Y or Tee coupler if necessary.

Fernco's are rubber couplings that are used in situations like that, with a hose clamp on each end of it. Plumbers use them all the time, where a regular coupler won't work, or the angle isn't a standard one.
 

2fifty2

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Re: Sink drain in basement

Fernco stuff looks like it will accomodate me with the small amount of pipe I have to work with - where is a good place to buy Fernco products? Do the major chains sell it or should I go online?
 

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I would absolutely use the Fernco fitting. That was the original intention of my post. All the big box hardware stores have them.....
 

MikDee

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Fernco is what I mentioned, but I called it a "no-hub" connector in my post.
 

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How about a saddle Tee.Use a hole saw to make a hole.Clamp the saddle tee in place and pipe it up.I have one that is over 10 years old and works fine.
 

MikDee

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How about a saddle Tee.Use a hole saw to make a hole.Clamp the saddle tee in place and pipe it up.I have one that is over 10 years old and works fine.

I have decided, I totally agree.
 
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