should they have missed this.

[tashasdaddy]

sister's & bro & law's 1999 5.7 VP. starter went out, hard to get to went to shop, they pulled engine to get to starter, changed mainfolds, serviced outdrive, oil change. the whole 9 yards. got boat back, went to lake, crused for 3 hours, engine shuts down, won't start, open engine compartment, oil in bildge, none on dip stick, take it back thinking loose oil filter. they say hole in oil pan. what gives. are they trying to CYA. opinions please.

 

[Reel Poor]

Re: should they have missed this.

They probably should have mentioned the rusty oil pan, but who would have known when A piece of rust fell off it would leave a hole in the pan. Typical problems from boating in the salt pond.

 

[calwldlif]

Re: should they have missed this.

I would be upset!
Was all the manifold changes
suggested by the shop?

 

[milkyway]

Re: should they have missed this.

Did you at elast try to find out where the oil leaked?

As a consequence of this incident, you had the motor running without oil. You may have other damages in the engine. Ask people here what possibly could go wrong with the engine.

 

[DHPMARINE]

Re: should they have missed this.

Yes,they may have missed it,but they would have to show me my oil pan with a hole in it.

DHP

 

[whywhyzed]

Re: should they have missed this.

A pan rusted out in 6 years? Mine's 23 yrs old and no rust. Not a speck. How does this happen? Salt water?

 

[lilmandavis]

Re: should they have missed this.

i had to replace an oil pan on an engine that i just replaced. it was rusted right around the drain hole in the bottom. the boat is a 2000 glastron. i am able to do it without removing the engine .. but on removal of the oil pan the bottom chunk of the timing cover came with it. i cant believe they would make crucial covers out of plastic. but after tapping around the drain hole a little bit with a screwdriver, rust came off a piece of paint, and there it was a pinhole. filled the entire bilge with 5 qts. sucked cause there was a little bit of rain water to help it get everywhere it possibly could of....

 

[Don S]

Re: should they have missed this.

A pan rusted out in 6 years? Mine's 23 yrs old and no rust. Not a speck. How does this happen? Salt water?

You better believe salt water will take out a pan in 6 years. Along with everything else in the bilge that isn't Stainless, brass, or aluminum.
I doubt they missed it, but if it's a salt water boat, it about as normal as corrosion. I personally don't tell every customer that his oil pan and valve covers, and timing chain cover and every thing else is rusty every time I pull an engine. If it isn't leaking, leave it alone.
I could make every engine pull a complete rebuild because of rust on a salt water engine.
The way I look at it, the owner already can see the rust. If he wants it fixed, I will. But that costs about $100 per hour and no estimates.

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: should they have missed this.

thanks just need reassurance. thats what i thought. salt. it 's their boat, i told them to get and outboard. now it's their money

 

[bruceb58]

Re: should they have missed this.

Took 9 years before my oil pan started leaking due to rust.

One little nick in the pan and a little salt water...leak!!!!

 

[calwldlif]

Re: should they have missed this.

I hate to go against the TIDE
here, but
I feel if the service shop had the motor out
it isn't to difficult to tap on the pan.
Hell improper handling of the motor
could have contributed to failure.
I agree salt will rust anything,
but I think the issue was whether the shop
should have seen it.
I say yes

 

[Boomyal]

Re: should they have missed this.

I hate to go against the TIDE
here, but
I feel if the service shop had the motor out
it isn't to difficult to tap on the pan.
Hell improper handling of the motor
could have contributed to failure.
I agree salt will rust anything,
but I think the issue was whether the shop
should have seen it.
I say yes

Wouldn't hold up in a court of law! You might as well try to hold them responsible for a unseen crack in the hull.

 

[bruceb58]

Re: should they have missed this.

When my pan started leaking, it was at the bottom of the pan. The pan from the sides looked like new still but the bottom had many rust spots.

I wouldn't expect a shop to see it for the same reason I didn't see it.

I do all my own work and am pretty anal about preventive maintanance.

I hate to go against the TIDE
here, but
I feel if the service shop had the motor out
it isn't to difficult to tap on the pan.
Hell improper handling of the motor
could have contributed to failure.
I agree salt will rust anything,
but I think the issue was whether the shop
should have seen it.
I say yes

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: should they have missed this.

it could have gotten bumped going back in, as the hole was on the bottom back of the pan. were just glad the automatic system shut the engine down. appears to be no damage,

 

[calwldlif]

Re: should they have missed this.

To remove the engine
it must be hoisted up
over the transome/gunnel

Would have been above
head height.

I agree you cannot hold them responsable.

I asked earlier if they found the bad manifolds
you had changed.

Either way my opinion(yes i have an as@@@le too)
is mechanics should be dilagent enough to
know pans rust, and had a great opportunity
to do something about it.