Smallest vehicle to pull 18-19' boat?

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shanel

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I tow my q6 tahoe with a nissan crew cab frontier 4wd v6 does a good job. That said my trips to the lake are about 35 to 40 miles one way curvey and hilly. I wouldn't want anything smaller.
 

mtrainTurbo

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Re: Smallest vehicle to pull 18-19' boat?

Full disclosure: I am a car buff and a boat enthusiast. I also used to sell, so I am very aware of the market for these vehicles.

You have gotten some great advice. You also got some pretty shoddy advice. I won't point out who is right and wrong.

I am in much the same boat. I sold my 24 foot Bayliner, and recently sold my Suburban 2500. I am looking to go to a 19 or 20 foot bowrider, and have the whole thing weigh around 3500 lbs. I am also looking to purchase a family type vehicle thats SUV-ish, AWD, capable of towing, capable of hauling people, and something not too crazy in fuel usage, size, or expense.

A word on import vs. domestic: Buy what you want, but don't be foolish, and don't be blind. Hyundai and Ford/GM in particular have made SPECTACULAR strides lately, and don't take a back seat to ANYONE. Ford especially has an almost perfect lineup of appealing cars and trucks, and have made serious inroads in quality and residual value (a measure of percieved quality). Domestics have bigger depreciation - something that will work to your advantage if you buy used. Import truck vehicles are generally not as solid, nor as good, as domestics. Aside from a 4Runner, XTerra, or Pathfinder, I can't think of a single import truck I would have over a Domestic. This is coming from someone who currently has a VW in his garage, but also was a 2X Suburban owner.

A word on used vehicles: I am aware you prefer import. There is a kernal of truth to what you say about IN GENERAL they are better, more focused vehicles. However, that changes when you look at truck type vehicles, and especially at resale value. I would encourage you to benchmark prices for particular vehicles (a V6 RAV4, for example, with 25K on the clock), and compare those to a domestic truck. YOu may find yourself comparing a RAV4 to, say, a pristine Lincoln Aviator V8 with less miles - and thats a hard decision to make, value wise.

More to the point: I would not consider ANY used Honda, Toyota, or Nissan. THey just hold their value too well to make sense as a used car purchase. Pony up the cash and buy them new and you're golden.

Knowing what you are looking for, I would take a calculated risk and target vehicles with a 3500 lb tow capacity and up. I generally fall into the "more tow capacity is better" camp, but there is a BIG expense that comes with a more serious tow vehicle, and a lot of people aren't willing to pay it.

3500 lbs is usually enough to encompass most 18 - 20 foot bowriders, such as a Bayliner 195 Sport, Sea Ray 195 Sport, or a Larson 206 Senza. It won't cover the luxury boats like a Regal 2000 or a CObalt 200. That said, you will be on your limit tow-wise, so you won't want to go long-distance.

TO that end, here's your list:

Ford Escape (and any Ford SUV above that)/Mercury Mariner (serious used car bargain since they are shuttering Mercury)
Ford Explorer (the newer, the better, and stick to midline models - no leather, no AWD, 4WD only, no V8s)
new gen Chevy Equinox (I think these have a 3500 lb capacity in V6 AWD form)/GMC Terrain
Toyota RAV4 V6
Toyota 4Runner
Nissan XTerra
Nissan Pathfinder
Chevy TrailBlazer/GMC Envoy/Olds Bravada/Buick Rainier/Saab 9-7X
GMT 800s (that is, Chevy Tahoe/Suburban/GMC Yukon/Yukon XLs and all their pickup truck cousins of the 2001 - 2008 vintage)
Volvo XC90s (these might be able to tow - Volvos tend to have surprising tow ratings)
Volvo XC70 wagon (ditto)
Jeep Wrangler Unlimited 4 door (3500 lb capacity with a tow package)
Ford Edge
Nissan Murano
Hyundai Santa Fe
Kia Borrego (Chevy Tahoe competitor that landed on the market with a HUGE thud...which means used car bargains galore!)
Kia Sorrento (surprising tow capacity on these)

I wouldn't consider ANY Chrysler product at this point (aside from the Wrangler). The market is too volatile, the residuals are too low, and they have serious quality problems on the Journey CUV.

All of this depends on your budget, so good luck.
 

windsors03cobra

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A Rav 4 compared to a Lincoln Navigator. Never thought I would have lived to see the day but here we are. I guess the prices may be close but the trucks are on so different I cannot fathom the comparo.
Would a frugal person who is interested in a Rav 4 go loco and buy a Navigator ?
Any-ting is possible when it comes to cars I guess. :cool:

Interesting post M Train.
 

jkust

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I think you will be hard pressed to find an 18 foot "ski boat" at 2000 lbs. I assume you mean a bowrider with a 4 or 6 cylinder engine or similar. I'd say you will be in the 3300ish lb range loaded with trailer unless you buy a premium boat brand which will put you at or near 4000lbs. We are absolutly adverse to spending money on cars. I have always believed new cars are for people richer than us or don't like to save as we do so I drive a now 10 year old minivan which towed our 4000lb 18 foot bowrider boat for a season ok. We knew we would have to pony up and buy something appropriate for towing if we were to be true boat owners and not be limited to certain boat accesses due to the front wheel drive in the minivan. We sought out the absolute most vehicle for the absolute least amount of money for towing our boat. That puts us in American SUV territory because of the great depreciation in the used market. Tahoes/Yukons and to some extent Suburbans/Yukon XL's were not in play for us because of their popularity and hence their smaller depreciation. My conclusion was that a midsized, American, truck based SUV was going to fit the bill. After looking at a lot of SUV's I discovered the GMT360 made from 2002 to 2009 would be it. Those are as mentioned above the Chevy Trailblazer/GMC Envoy/Buick Rainier/Isuze Ascender/SAAB 9-7x. Each of those models holds a different place in the market space but all are similar with 4wd/awd available, very cheap used though some were over 40k new and pretty widely regarded as non-lemons. We picked the Buick Rainier for its more refined bits and the fact that only Rainier offered a V8 in its 2 rows of seats model up until 2006/2007. It gets poor mileage compared to the crossover/car frame suv's such as the Chevy Traverse but was substantially cheaper and tows more weight better. After owning it for a while now I see why so many are on the road.
 

mtrainTurbo

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Re: Smallest vehicle to pull 18-19' boat?

A Rav 4 compared to a Lincoln Navigator. Never thought I would have lived to see the day but here we are. I guess the prices may be close but the trucks are on so different I cannot fathom the comparo.
Would a frugal person who is interested in a Rav 4 go loco and buy a Navigator ?
Any-ting is possible when it comes to cars I guess. :cool:

Interesting post M Train.

First, I said Aviator, not Navigator. Google it, there's a big difference.

Two, value is king and the crux of my argument is opportunity cost. It's the same argument as a 10 year old Honda Accord and a 1 year old 10k mile Taurus being the same price. The Taurus has more life left in it. My point is you're going to pay a premium for an import name and in a truck (that is to be used as a towing tool) it's not justified. If he's buying used, take advantage of depreciation and see what else is out there for the same price. There could be a model out there that may be newer with less miles that's the same price or cheaper. Especially when you look at oddballs like the Lincoln riffs on Ford trucks, or the Isuzu Ascender (great example, by the way....even **I** forgot about it!).



Lastly, (and this is not aimed at you) the attitude on new cars is appreciated, but narrow minded. Each purchase is different, and some cars make more sense to buy (or lease) new rather than used. I'll leave it there for now.
 

JimKW

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I am going to comment on Volvos only here. The XC70 would not be my choice at all. It's only rated at 3300 lbs and the V70 would do the same amount and give you better gas mileage.

The XC90 V8 would be my choice and is my choice. It's rated at 5,000 lbs and the V8 in that vehicle is made by Yamaha. The same engine that was used in the Ford Taurus SHO. The real good news is they didn't hold their value well at all (common for Volvos) and you can get one for well under $20K.

Anybody looking for an SUV tow vehicle should test drive one. You got nothing to lose. I drove my first Volvo in 1985 and have owned at least one and as many as three every since. Right now I have a 1995 Yellow 850 T5R, one of only 185 imported into the USA. I also have a white 97 850 R.

My son has two 98's, my one daughter has a 99 S80 T6 and my mother in law has an 01 V70. As I said in a previous post I know Volvos.

I knew a lady a few years ago who was test driving Acuras and Lexus. I said just go test drive a Volvo, you got nothing to lose. She bought the Volvo.
 

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My recommendation is to be safe than sorry. I have a 21' boat. When I bought the boat I had a ford explorer that hardly pulled the boat. My maximum speed up the hill was 35 mph. Forget about acceleration, and breaking distance. It was totally unsafe to tow the boat. After the first season I bought a ford expedition, what a difference. Now I don't fell the boat behind the car and I am in total control of the trailer and boat behind me. The dry weight for my boat is 3200lbs and the trailer weights about 1200lbs. By the time you consider the weight of the fuel (50 gallons, boats gas tanks are much larger than cars) skis, drinks towels and so on you will be adding additional 500 lbs to your load. Now you have to consider how many passengers you are taking boating with you. Ford explorer towing capacity is rated at 5000 lbs, and ford expedition at 9000lbs. I would recommend chose a vehicle with 20 to 25% higher towing capacity than weight of you boat, trailer, and additional load combined. It will increase the mpg but is much safer.
 

windsors03cobra

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Argh. I cant believe I mistook the Aviator for the Navigator but my mistake on that I like both those vehicles and the Rav 4 to me is useless.

Isuzu Ascender ! Whew, I do not know where you pulled dat der out of but props ahoy on that. That nameplate has to be virtually worthless and possibly kind of rare. 7 names on that platform. I think GM did it for the LulZ. :rolleyes:

I agree on the domestic used car values, new car depreciation sucks. Amazing how the premium Asian cars retain that value.
 

jbing81

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Pull a 2,000 lbs+ boat on a regular basis w/o an accelerated maintence program and you will see how "reliable" your honda or toyota is...

Personally being from Detroit I would never consider driving let alone buying a forgien car...

All that aside, your needs would require a full size SUV or truck to safely pull/stop that load. And when I say safely I dont mean because your vehical might break down but so you dont cause an accident and injure another driver.
 

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Isuzu Ascender ! Whew, I do not know where you pulled dat der out of but props ahoy on that. That nameplate has to be virtually worthless and possibly kind of rare. 7 names on that platform. I think GM did it for the LulZ. :rolleyes:

Whenever I see an Ascender or a 9-7x for that matter I do a double take since I see so few. The Ascender must be the worst depreciating car ever. It was really modeled after the Envoy interior-wise. The 9-7x held up a little better resale wise. The 9-7x is probably the most refined/luxurious and you can get it with the LS Vette engine as you could the Trailblazer. I wouldn't mind a 9-7x.
 

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I tow my 1998 Monterey 180 I/O with a 2005 Kia Sportage 4x4 V6 its rated at 1500 in the US but 3500 in Europe. Go figure that one out. They say it the diesel engine but the torque numbers are the same. Considering we used to tow with a 1977 Ford F150 with drum breaks I feel we have stepped up. Granted we only go 8 miles to the lake but it tows it very well. I just take it easy. I would'nt recommend this as a real option for going any sort of distance but for our short trip it has done very well. That being said we are looking at a 2005 Nissan Armada with some miles and a 3rd row seat its about 20k and can tow 9100 lbs. Should cover us for a 20 ft upgrade.
 

chicy724

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Welcome to iboats. You've come to the right place for advice. However, you should know (and have probably discovered by now) that nothing ignites posters' passions more quickly than a towing thread. More than one has been closed by the mods for that reason. I won't jump into the fray except to say this. You really need to ask yourself some searching questions regarding your vehicle preferences. For instance, you're prejudiced against full sized SUVs and trucks, which is certainly your prerogative, but you need to determine exactly why, and in order to do that you need the benefit of experience.

Thank you! It's been a while since I've viewed this thread. Oops. Ok, so I know why I do not prefer a full size SUV. My parents had always had trucks and SUVs. I grew up in their Expeditions, and Chevy Silverado 2500HD.. and drove them frequently. For an occasional drive, they were fine. For my primary vehicle, it is just too big. And, in addition to this, they are too big for my garage. :eek:
 

jondavies

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Re: Smallest vehicle to pull 18-19' boat?

Pull a 2,000 lbs+ boat on a regular basis w/o an accelerated maintence program and you will see how "reliable" your honda or toyota is...

Personally being from Detroit I would never consider driving let alone buying a forgien car...

I'd like to agree with you but my experience tells me otherwise. My 2002 Tacoma just towed my boat (about 2,000lbs including gear) on a 1,000+ mile trip just fine. It has 155K on it and except changing a belt, I haven't had to do any maintenance that I can't do myself in the backyard.

On the other hand, I rented a 2011 Dodge Nitro with less than 1K two weeks ago and the power door locks didn't work and the radio cut out every time I went over a bump. With QC like that, I can't see buying American (possibly with the exception of a Ford) anytime soon.
 

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Personally being from Detroit I would never consider driving let alone buying a forgien car...

Go American!

So what vehicle is american?

Here is an eye-opener...

http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story...ct=ami&story=amMade0710&referer=&aff=national

So those ford F150's and chevy silverado's? Not even eligible to be considered for the made-in-america list. Need at least 70% US sourced parts, both of those trucks fall well below that (55% and 65%, respectively) The quad and crew cab dodge 1500's are the ONLY domestic truck that is even close to being made in america, at #7. (#1 and #2 made in america vehicles? Toyota and Honda)


My last vehicle was a ford. It had a sticker on the door jam proclaiming "Proudly made in <some town i can't pronounce>, Mexico" I've got a subaru now, japanese, which is made in Kentucky. My other vehicle is a kia, made in Georgia. So by my count, I can either support the american worker and the japanese CEO. (who earns less than a well paid union employee in the states!), or a fat american CEO and the mexican worker... Tough choice!

Given the QC issues I've seen in domestic automakers, i'm not going to be buying a ford or chevy for many years. And this is coming from a die-hard ford person, at least up until my last 3 vehicles.
 

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So what vehicle is american?

Here is an eye-opener...

http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story...ct=ami&story=amMade0710&referer=&aff=national

So those ford F150's and chevy silverado's? Not even eligible to be considered for the made-in-america list. Need at least 70% US sourced parts, both of those trucks fall well below that (55% and 65%, respectively) The quad and crew cab dodge 1500's are the ONLY domestic truck that is even close to being made in america, at #7. (#1 and #2 made in america vehicles? Toyota and Honda)


My last vehicle was a ford. It had a sticker on the door jam proclaiming "Proudly made in <some town i can't pronounce>, Mexico" I've got a subaru now, japanese, which is made in Kentucky. My other vehicle is a kia, made in Georgia. So by my count, I can either support the american worker and the japanese CEO. (who earns less than a well paid union employee in the states!), or a fat american CEO and the mexican worker... Tough choice!

Given the QC issues I've seen in domestic automakers, i'm not going to be buying a ford or chevy for many years. And this is coming from a die-hard ford person, at least up until my last 3 vehicles.

Well said and I couldn't agree more.
 

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Have youn's all sold out . Tell him the truth . Shouldn't buy any 18'-19' foot boat unless made out of paper or space age material with what he want's to tow with period, when his most valuables will be with him. Go ahead and buy a jap boat ,motor , trailer ,and haul vehicle and the spew about how good they are compared to what our country has to offer . Most here have sold out to cheapest but when they relize their life -livelyhood is on the line they might see the light. Go on the internet and see how other countrys haul heavy things if it would make your hauler justifible.Sorry I'f sounds like rant and rave but comming from a military BRAT . Lived in many countrys and always glad to be home. My budget has had me looking for years for the most efficent boat ,haul ,motor,truck and boat that can be used the most ways on differen't types of waterways ,lakes.
 

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Have youn's all sold out . Tell him the truth . Shouldn't buy any 18'-19' foot boat unless made out of paper or space age material with what he want's to tow with period, when his most valuables will be with him. Go ahead and buy a jap boat ,motor , trailer ,and haul vehicle and the spew about how good they are compared to what our country has to offer .

I highlighted the problem... Check the link. Most of the vehicles made in our country are from foreign brands. Most of the domestic vehicles you buy (like the silverado/f150) are not made in america. American companies are run by a ceo who's only goal is to increase the stock price, which means reducing production costs to the bare minimum. That means outsourcing production to mexico.
 

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for sure dont get a car or good luck getting a hitch with that great of a raise. i have a 95 150 and i a 91 four winns sundowner 225 i pulled it home with my dads truck, and when i put his hitch in my truck the jack was all the way down and still 2 inches off. i ended up getting an $80 class 4, 8 inch raised hitch supositively the only one in michigan, lady at the shop told me it have been on that shelf for 10 years. as for the 4 wheel drive theories my truck is 2 wheel drive the only time i would have a problem pulling out of a ramp is if i stompd on the accelerater trying to spin my tires. its obivous sometimes dont let your vehical tires go off the ramp and into the mud or you'll have issues.
 
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