Bennet's Trim Tabs go up, but not down

QC

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New ride for me. Has Bennett sport tabs. Ran the boat for one day. Both tabs worked fine, and then down quit working. They are all the way up now. I can hear the pump running when I press up, and I can hear the solenoid snap when I press down, but the pump doesn't run. Thoughts? Tabman? Oddly enough this condition isn't covered in the manual.
 
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Scott Danforth

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my guess is dirt in the system, or lack of oil in the system. the rams are spring return and hydraulic extend.
 

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Yeah,but the pump doesn't run when I hit the down switch. Solenoid snaps, but pump doesn't whine/hum etc. Fluid level is fine.
 

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Hi QC,

How old do you think the system is and what kind of boat is it on? Even if there was no fluid you would hear the pump run when you pushed down Tabs.

hungupthespikes is on target, blue is the wire that powers the pump forward to put the Tabs down. Take a look at step 3 below, that should isolate the problem. Also if it is an older system look at step 6 as a faulty relay could be the culprit as well.

Let me know what you find and I will be delighted to help.

Tom

Fluid: Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATF) any type. Hydraulic Power Unit is self bleeding, running the Trim Tabs up and down 3-4 times will purge air from the system.

Fuse: 12 volt system use 20 amp in-line fuse on positive. (24v & 32v use proportionately smaller)

Red= Port Valve
Green= Starboard Valve
Blue=Motor Forward (pump pressure)
Yellow= Motor Reverse (pump retract)
Black on HPU=Ground
Orange on Helm=Control Positive

Troubleshooting

1.If one side is not operating reverse hydraulic lines on the front of the Hydraulic Power Unit to determine if the malfunction is in HPU or actuator / hydraulic lines. If after reversing the lines symptom shifts to the other side the malfunction may exist in HPU. If the symptom remains on the same side, malfunction may exist with the actuator / hydraulic lines

2. Is the unit receiving a solid 12 volts? Low voltage will some times cause the solenoids to not open preventing the tabs from moving even though the pump motor is running.

3. Conduct the following test:
Remove the wires from the helm control and touch together as follows:
Operation=Reaction
Orange (+), blue, red= Port trim tab down
Orange (+), blue, green=Starboard trim tab down
Orange (+), blue, red, green= Both trim tabs down
Orange (+), yellow, red= Port trim tab up
Orange (+), yellow, green=Starboard trim tab up
Orange (+), yellow, red, green= Both trim tabs up

If the trim tabs function correctly for each wire grouping then the switch is at fault. Also note that any loose or missing screws on the back of the switch (whether a wire is connected there or not) can cause the pump to malfunction.

This test may also be done right at the pump by substituting a "hot lead" for orange. There is usually a connector to the wire harness within a foot or so of the pump. You want to check this connection for corrosion. You may wish to cut the connector off on the pump side and try the test on bare wires.

4. If you suspect corrosion on the wire connector near the pump, cut it out, test as above and reconnect using butt splices.

5. If you conclude the problem is in the pump, contact me. Bennett Trim Tab Systems carry a five year warranty.

6. Check to see if there is a relay in line on the wiring harness near the hydraulic power unit. If there is it is an Interrupter Relay (IR1000). It prevents the system fuse from blowing if you try to actuate one trim tab up and the other down at the same time. After you test as outlined above, try removing the relay from the wiring harness and retest the unit.(Note: the interrupter relay is no longer used in current Bennett Trim Tab systems and has been replaced with a Switches that "lock out" preventing a blown fuse).
 

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Thanks Tom. It's a '99 Hallett. I am familiar with this HPU as I bought a system new from you guys in '96 and it looks the same. So the solenoid would click if the blue wire was the issue? Or the relay? Funny thing is I blew that relay in my first system. Took it out and never looked back. Worked fine. I'll check for that although I didn't see anything on the inside of the transom where that would typically be mounted.
 

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Tabman

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Yes, the solenoids will click even if the blue wire was the issue (they are the red and green wires). The basic design of the HPU has not changed much, but lots of little improvements over the years. The one in the photo looks to be about a 99 vintage from what I can tell.

Let me know what you find.

Tom
 

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What goes up must come down!

It's Newton's third law.

Make it happen QC.:D
 

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Will this switch: http://www.iboats.com/Euro-Style-Roc...view_id.197041

mount where the older,flatter, style rockers mount? I am heading out to the boat on Thanksgiving, and thinking even if it's not the switch that I might replace it. The "bezel" (for lack of a better word) is cracked anyway so might as well replace it while I have it out to troubleshoot.
 

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Will this switch: http://www.iboats.com/Euro-Style-Roc...view_id.197041

mount where the older,flatter, style rockers mount? I am heading out to the boat on Thanksgiving, and thinking even if it's not the switch that I might replace it. The "bezel" (for lack of a better word) is cracked anyway so might as well replace it while I have it out to troubleshoot.

Yes, you may have to make the hole in the dash about a 1/16" larger for it to fit.
 
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