1997 Suzuki DT65 Restoration / Salt Water Corrosion

KeyWest1500

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Good day everyone,

First and foremost I'd like to thank everyone on these forums for helping in more ways than one with my work on my boats and engines throughout my days and nights in my garage and shop at home. Some of you have been my lifeline in many occasions.

This is my first post with a boat I just purchased with a '97 Suzuki DT65 that has turned out to be a complete nightmare. I'm hoping to get some guidance and advise as to whether it's worth putting any more money into it or selling it for parts.
Please bare with me and I'll provide the details of what I have.

I purchased a '97 Key West 1500 Sportsman with a Suzuki DT65 used in salt water that ran perfectly with the earmuffs on. Hull is in great shape and I got a great deal on it so I took a chance and took it home. I took it out on the water for the first time and it started right up and ran great at idle, but would not go faster than an idle even when throttled up to full power. The throttle cables were in bad shape so I changed them out along with the water separator as it was in dire condition as well. No change, still ran at no more than an idle. Compression was 95 top, 105 middle, 120 bottom.

Removed all the fuel and found tons of water in it so I rebuilt the entire fuel system. Cleaned the tank, new lines, new fuel pump, had the carbs rebuilt and cleaned everything really well. When the carbs were removed I found a broken reed valve so I upgraded to Boysen Power Reeds and fixed that issue. Put it all back together and it ran like a brand new engine. Compression did not improve much at all. Stayed the same throughout all cylinders (95,105,120). Cranked right up and got up on a plane quickly. Super quiet and smooth and responsive. Ran great! All good right? Nope.

Water wasn't consistent out of the tell tail and it was getting hot. I thought maybe it was no big deal, just needed a stat change. When I went to remove the stat to check the condition, I broke 2 bolts right off. Not a good sign as I could clearly feel thy were corroded badly. I got the stat off and it was in horrible condition. Useless. So bad, that I decided to inspect further and took the head off. I almost fell over. It looked like cancer had attacked my engine. The corrosion and build up was so bad I was amazed it even ran. Ever.

I have posted pictures below so that you can clearly see the damage of the reed valve, the PH, the stat and overall condition. There was also some damage to the top cylinder and piston (the one with lowest pressure) where it looks like the steel reed that broke off bounced around. I have also posted some pictures of the PH after cleaning and repairing it in my shop. It's a work in progress and it looks like I can get all the corrosion and buildup out in my shop and put it all back together.

Do you guys think this is a smart move? Should I not waste my time and look for a new engine or should I proceed with the restoration of the PH and top Cylinder as I have already rebuilt everything else in the system? Any advise you guys can provide will be greatly appreciated.

I am sorry for the long post, just wanted to be as clear as possible. I will of course keep you all posted on the progression if I decide to continue with the rebuild.

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Re: 1997 Suzuki DT65 Restoration / Salt Water Corrosion

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KeyWest1500

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Sorry about that. Not Surewhat happened. Working on it right now.
 

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I'm hoping these images upload properly now.

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Here are a few more pics for review of the corrosion, reed replacements and preliminary cleaning of the corrosion.

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99yam40

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Re: 1997 Suzuki DT65 Restoration / Salt Water Corrosion

Hard to say how well this motor will hold up after reed went through it.
I do not see much damage to the piston, but it probably damaged the cylinder or piston enough to stick the rings.
And it may have got metal in the bearings as it went through the crank case to get into the cylinder
 

KeyWest1500

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Re: 1997 Suzuki DT65 Restoration / Salt Water Corrosion

Hard to say how well this motor will hold up after reed went through it.
I do not see much damage to the piston, but it probably damaged the cylinder or piston enough to stick the rings.
And it may have got metal in the bearings as it went through the crank case to get into the cylinder

Thanks yam. A few questions: What do you mean by "stick the rings"? It ran quiet and smooth right before I took the PH off to fix the cooling issue, is this something I would have noticed/heard a that time? Can I replace the rings and piston if needed to avoid further incident? Is it safe for me to put this PH back together after removing the corrosion and build up?

Thanks for your help.
 

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Re: 1997 Suzuki DT65 Restoration / Salt Water Corrosion

Something has caused the compression to lower on that cylinder, probably caused by the reed going through damaging cylinder or the piston. Ring lands may have collapsed on to ring or metal stuck in it causing them not to seal to the cylinder properly. stuck ring or scared cylinder will not make noise.
Is it safe who really knows for sure. Bearings and pistons require the motor to be completely dismantled to inspect or replace.
looks like you used something patching holes and it could give way or other spots can leak water into spots that it is not suppose to get into. All I can say is good luck with it
 

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Re: 1997 Suzuki DT65 Restoration / Salt Water Corrosion

Something has caused the compression to lower on that cylinder, probably caused by the reed going through damaging cylinder or the piston. Ring lands may have collapsed on to ring or metal stuck in it causing them not to seal to the cylinder properly. stuck ring or scared cylinder will not make noise.
Is it safe who really knows for sure. Bearings and pistons require the motor to be completely dismantled to inspect or replace.
looks like you used something patching holes and it could give way or other spots can leak water into spots that it is not suppose to get into. All I can say is good luck with it

I understand. I thought the same as I found some minimal scoring in the top cylinder. Nothing in the other two. I figure since I am this far in, I'll replace all cylinders and rings and replace the ph assy as well. Everything else seems to be in good working order, but like you said, it's hard to tell until i have it all taken apart to see what else that steel reed damaged.
Is it possible it got chewed up and spit out through the exhaust? I found a small piece of it in the intake but nowhere else so far. Am I putting too much work into this thing or is it worth replacing all damaged parts? I'm looking at $700-800 for parts to put her back together with new pistons, gaskets, PH water jacket, etc.
 

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Re: 1997 Suzuki DT65 Restoration / Salt Water Corrosion

I apologize, I meant I will replace all 3 pistons and rings and machine the scored cylinder........
 

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Seems like you've got a lot of your time, money and effort in this motor already, so maybe go ahead and try to get her running. A small scoring on that cylinder and a compression of 95 ain't all that terrible, maybe button it up and run it like it is, and not pour any more money into that motor than you have to. Or you might find a complete used or rebuilt powerhead to drop on there, especially since the saltwater has done such a number on it. Good Luck!:)
 

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Seems like you've got a lot of your time, money and effort in this motor already, so maybe go ahead and try to get her running. A small scoring on that cylinder and a compression of 95 ain't all that terrible, maybe button it up and run it like it is, and not pour any more money into that motor than you have to. Or you might find a complete used or rebuilt powerhead to drop on there, especially since the saltwater has done such a number on it. Good Luck!:)

Yes sir, a few late nights and bottles of beer on the wall. But I enjoy it and I've been blessed with the ability and workshop to do my work at home on my own time and terms. I found a PH in great shape for $150 used in FW with no corrosion, piston/ring kits are about $100 a piece for this model and gaskets aren't much. I'm going to take the rest of her apart this evening and take a look at the conditions of the shaft and bearings. If all looks well I will purchase these parts and move forward. A few hundred dollars will be worth the piece of mind gained while out on the water. Hell, by the time I'm done I'll pretty much have rebuilt the damn thing almost completely.

Thanks for the help and advise guys. I'll keep this updated as I move forward.
 

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looks like you used something patching holes and it could give way or other spots can leak water into spots that it is not suppose to get into. All I can say is good luck with it

yam,
No repairs done at all on the PH. I just cleaned it up and got most of the build up and corrosion out. But I'm not sure I would get a solid seal out of this thing after getting her apart anyways, so I'm looking to replace it all together. Not sure I want to put all that work in and then not get a clean seal at the gasket.
 

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Sounds like you're really enjoying this project!...I understand that completely, and you'll be such a total expert on that motor by the time you're done. I have a shop too, and love being out there screwing with some project, Chuck Berry on the radio, a cool beer maybe...don't get much better than that!:)
 
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