Yamaha 60 HP 4 stroke Wouldn't Start - Solutions?

Deathstalker74

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I have a Boston Whaler Montauk with a 60 hp Yamaha 4 stroke and I'm currently encountering issues with this motor. I took it to our local marina in Sea Isle City, NJ because the motor was losing RPM's. I had used ethanol in the past and didn't use star brite or any other additive. Long story short, they charged my about $1,000 to install a larger fuel line, replaced my prop to one that was more efficient to push my RPM's up to 5200, replaced my fuel water separator, cleaned out my carbs and replaced a cylinder.

The day I took my boat out after getting it back from the marina, it wouldn't start. The technician came out and messed with the idle because the motor was idling too low. He corrected the problem and the boat ran fine. Fast forward two weeks when I take the boat out again and it starts to lose power at around 3800 RPM's. It doesn't seem to want to push past this. I was able to get it going a few times past 3800 RPM's but it seemed to do so begrudgingly. That evening when I closed up the boat, I noticed that the on/off switch, which powers the bilge pump, etc., was in the off position and yet the motor was still able to be moved up and down using the switch on the throttle. I thought this was strange but closed up the boat never-the-less.

The next day I went to drive the boat over to the marina and it wouldn't start at all. Nada. Nothing. It was filled with water from the night before and the bilge pump wouldn't work either. The technician showed up with a jumper/ charger and at first nothing happened. We thought my battery may have been dead even though I purchased it only a year ago. About two minutes later, while still connected to the jumpers, the engine started to move when I depressed the button. Soon after, I was able to start the engine no problem. I turned it off and on again and had no problem starting it.

Then we went to run the bilge pump and it wouldn't work - it worked the day before. Oddly enough, after about 3 minutes and some tinkering with the wiring, it just started working. I am SO confused at this point as to what the problem is with my boat. Is it electrical? Is there a short? Is it the engine? Is it both? Any suggestions, help would be GREATLY appreciated.
 

passingwindII

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Re: Yamaha 60 HP 4 stroke Wouldn't Start - Solutions?

some of your problems sound like bad connections. check for corrosion. check for voltage drop. find different mech. sounds like alot to do nothing.
 

Deathstalker74

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Re: Yamaha 60 HP 4 stroke Wouldn't Start - Solutions?

The technician mentioned a voltage drop. What could cause this when everything on the boat was turned off during the night?
 

passingwindII

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Re: Yamaha 60 HP 4 stroke Wouldn't Start - Solutions?

Does your engine crank slowly or not at all, but when you test the battery and starter both are fine? What about an alternator that puts out its normal charging amperage but can't keep your battery fully charged?

An often overlooked cause of these kinds of problems is excessive resistance in the high amperage circuit. Loose, corroded or damaged battery cables or ground straps can choke off the normal flow of current in these circuits. And if the current can't get through, the starter won't have the muscle to crank the engine and the battery won't receive the amperage it needs to maintain a full charge.

Nasty looking battery terminals that are blooming with corrosion obviously need cleaning. But many times corrosion forms an almost invisible paper-thin barrier between the battery terminals and cables. To the naked eye, the terminals and cables look fine. But high resistance in the connections is preventing the high amp current from getting through.

The same goes for battery cables with ends that have been beaten or pried out of shape, or have had the ends replaced. If the clamp isn't making good contact with the battery terminal all the way around as well as its own cable, the cable may have too much resistance and restrict the flow of current. The same goes for ground straps that have loose or corroded end terminals, or make poor contact with the engine or body.

Cranking problems can also be caused by undersized replacement battery cables. A wire's ability to pass current depends on the gauge size of the wire. The fatter the wire, the more current it can safely handle. Some cheap replacement battery cables use smaller gauge wire, which may be camouflaged with thicker insulation to make it appear to be the same size as the original cable. But the cable doesn't have the capacity to handle the current.

It doesn't take much of an increase in resistance to cause trouble. Let's say a 120 amp alternator operates in a circuit that has a normal resistance of 0.11 ohms. If that resistance were increased to 0.17 ohms because of a bad wiring connection, the alternator's maximum output would be limited to 80 amps. In other words, an increase of only 0.06 ohms (almost nothing!) would reduce the alternator's maximum output by almost a third! Under light load, the drop in charging output might not even be noticeable. But in a high load situation, the alternator wouldn't be able to keep up.

CHECKING CONNECTIONS

If you use an ohmmeter to measure across a heavily corroded battery cable or ground strap connection, or one with only a few strands of wire that make contact with the end clamp or terminal, the connection may read good because all you're measuring is continuity -- not the ability to handle a high amp current load. The connection may pass a small current, but when a heavy load is applied there may not be enough contact to pass the extra current.

So how do you find these kinds of problems? You do a voltage drop test.

VOLTAGE DROP TEST

A voltage drop test is the only effective way to find excessive resistance in high amperage circuits. It's a quick and easy test that doesn't require any disassembly and will quickly show you whether or not you've got a good connection or a bad one.

To do a voltage drop test, you create a load in the circuit that's being tested. Then you use a digital volt meter (DVM) to measure the voltage drop across the live connection while it is under the load. Voltage always follows the path of least resistance, so if the circuit or connection being tested has too much resistance some of the voltage will flow through the DVM and create a voltage reading.



If a connection is good, you should find little or no voltage drop and see less than 0.4 volts for most connections, and ideally less than 0.1 volts. But if you find more than a few tenths of a voltage drop across a connection, it indicates excessive resistance and a need for cleaning or repair.

CHECKING THE STARTER CIRCUIT

To check the starter circuit for excessive resistance, you need to measure the voltage drop at the battery, battery cable connections and starter while the engine is being cranked.

The first check is "available battery voltage." For the starter to crank at normal speed, the battery must be at least 75% charged (12.4 volts or higher). Low battery voltage can not only affect the starter but every other electrical system in the vehicle.

A. Set your DVM to the 20 volt scale, then connect meter positive (+) lead to battery positive (+) post (not the clamp or cable), and the meter negative (-) lead to battery negative (-) post.

B. Disable the engine so it will not start when it is cranked. (Ground the ignition coil wire, or disable the ignition circuit or fuel pump relay.) Limit cranking time to 15 seconds or less.

C. While cranking the engine, record the volt reading on the DVM. D. Next, connect your meter positive (+) lead to the battery terminal stud on the starter, and the meter negative (-) lead to the starter housing.

E. While cranking the engine, record the volt reading.

F. Compare the two voltage readings. If both are the same, there are no excessive voltage drops on the positive feed side.

G. If available voltage at the starter is not within one (1) volt of battery voltage, there is excessive voltage drop in the circuit.

The next test is for voltage drop on the positive side of the starter circuit.

A. Make sure the battery is fully charged.

B. Disable ignition.

C. Set DVM on 2 volt scale.

D. Connect meter positive (+) lead to positive (+) battery post, and the meter negative (-) lead to the battery terminal stud on the starter. While cranking the engine, record the voltage reading.

The maximum allowable voltage drop including the solenoid or external relay in the starter circuit should be 0.6 volts or less.

If you find more than a 0.6 volt drop in the starter circuit, you can isolate the bad connection by using the following voltage drop tests.

* Check the positive battery post and cable connection by measuring the voltage drop between the two while cranking the engine. Connect the meter positive lead to the battery post and the meter negative lead to the cable clamp. A good post/cable connection should have zero voltage drop.

* Check the positive battery cable by measuring the voltage drop end to end while cranking the engine. Connect the meter positive lead to the clamp on the positive battery cable, and the meter negative lead to the end of the cable at the starter. Crank the engine and note the voltage reading. A good cable should have a voltage drop of 0.2 volts or less.

* To check the starter solenoid or relay connections, connect the meter positive lead to positive battery terminal on the solenoid or relay, and the meter negative lead to the starter motor terminal. Crank the engine and note the reading. A good connection should have a voltage drop of 0.2 volts or less.

Next, you need to check the negative side of the starter circuit. To check the entire circuit, connect the meter positive lead to a clean spot on the starter motor case and the meter negative lead to the negative battery post. Crank the engine and note the reading. The voltage drop on the negative side should be 0.3 volts or less.

If the voltage drop is too high, set your DVM to the 2 volt scale and start checking each connection on the negative side to find the bad connection or cable. Use the DVM leads to check across each connection while cranking the engine as before.

Check the negative battery post/ground cable connection (should be zero voltage drop).

Check the negative ground cable from the battery to the engine (should be 0.2 volts or less).

Check between the negative battery post and starter housing (should be 0.3 volts or less).

Check between the engine block and starter housing (should be 0.10 volts or less).

CHECKING THE CHARGING CIRCUIT

To check the alternator connections on the positive side for excessive resistance:

A. Set DVM on 2 volt DC scale.

B. Connect the meter positive lead to the alternator output stud (B+ terminal).

C. Connect the meter negative lead to the positive (+) battery post.

D. With the engine running at 1,800 to 2,000 rpm with all lights and accessories on (except the rear electric defroster), check the voltage drop reading. It should be 0.5 volts or less. If higher, the connections between the alternator output stud and battery need to be cleaned. Also, look for loose connections or undersized cables.

To check the alternator connections on the negative side for excessive resistance:

A. Set DVM on 2 volt DC scale.

B. Connect meter negative lead to alternator case.

C. Connect meter positive lead to battery negative (-) post.

D. With engine running at 1,800 to 2,000 rpm with all lights and accessories on (except rear defogger), check the voltage drop reading. On the negative side, it should be 0.2 volts or less. If excessive, the connections need cleaning or the negative cable needs to be replaced. Some alternators are mounted in rubber bushings and have a separate ground strap. If so equipped, be sure to check the voltage drop across this strap, too.


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