'05 Yamaha 225 4 stroke now useless after 5 seasons

B Adams

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MY YAMAHA 225HP 4 STROKE IS USELES AFTER ONLY FIVE SEASONS

The Short Version
I paid over $16,000 for a brand new Yamaha 225hp 4-stroke motor in March 2006.
After only five seasons of weekend use, and with less than 600 hours of use and proper maintenance, I am faced with a $12,000 repair bill as this motor has corroded from the inside. I bought an extended six year warranty, took great care of the motor, and kept my service receipts, and Yamaha has claimed that they don?t cover corrosion.

The Detailed Version
When my wife and I decided to invest in a new boat and motor, my research told me that it should be powered by Yamaha for their reputation as the most reliable outboards on the market. We paid over $50,000 for a 22 foot Key West center console powered by a Yamaha 225 4 stroke. We bought the boat in March, 2006 from Kevin Burke at Action Marine in Holyoke, MA. At the time of purchase, Yamaha offered us a choice of either a $750 rebate check, or a three-year extension on its standard three year warranty, bringing the warranty to six years from the purchase date. We chose the extended warranty.

We took great care of the boat and motor, and have enjoyed fishing and boating in the waters of Long Island Sound for the past five seasons. We have always been very careful to clean the boat and motor, and flush the engine with fresh water after every use. At the end of each season, we had Mike Bassett at Louis Marine in Westbrook, CT service and winterize it for us.

We launched the boat this year on April 23rd, and it was on May 14th that I noticed water coming out from under the motor?s cover. When I opened the cover to see what was causing the problem, I could see a hole in the top of the head, approximately 3/8? in diameter, where sea water was flowing out and all over the engine. I anchored the boat and applied an emergency putty to block the hole, and made it back to Louis Marine. A week later, Mike Bassett confirmed that this hole had been caused by corrosion, and that the repair job would be too much for his company to handle. He referred me to Boats, Inc. in Niantic, CT, and Reynolds? in Lyme, CT. Both are Yamaha authorized repair facilities. I chose Reynolds? because it was a shorter distance to my home, and I prefer doing business with family-run companies.

It took over two weeks before Reynolds? could look, as it is their busy time. Tom Reynolds called and told me ?This is the worst case of corrosion I have ever seen.?, and The Reynolds Company has been in business since 1859! He contacted Yamaha, and then reported back to me that they do not cover corrosion. He added that Yamaha may offer some assistance, but how much he didn?t know. Tom suggested I call Yamaha?s customer service dept. myself to see how much assistance they would be willing to give me. ?Once we get that figure, we can decide whether to go forward with the repair, or buy a new motor? (yes, it is that bad).

So I called and spoke with Greg in Yamaha?s customer service department, who was just about the rudest person, in a customer service position, I have ever spoken with in my 50 years on this earth. He said ?We ain?t gonna do nothin? for ya until we see a repair estimate first.? So now Reynolds? wants to know how much assistance Yamaha will give before proceeding and Yamaha won?t offer assistance until Reynolds? submits a repair estimate, and I?m stuck in the middle. In order to make an accurate repair estimate, Reynolds told me that the motor must be taken apart completely, and that I would be responsible for the estimated $400 cost in labor to do this. Since I really had no choice, I agreed to it.

While waiting for the results of the tear down and repair estimate, I did a little research on the Internet and found that I am not the only one with this corrosion problem on this motor for this year. It seems that Yamaha may know about it, but is unwilling to admit the problem as it may cost them to fix the motors of their other customers who?ve experienced the very same problem. Does Yamaha really believe it?s okay to sell a motor to their customers for $16,000 that lasts only five years??? I would never have thought so until now.

I spoke with Tom Reynolds today (June 14) who told me that Yamaha will offer $3,500 towards the repair, or a new motor, leaving me with about an $8,500 burden. So my choice is to pay $8,500 to repair a motor that basically disintegrated on me, or buy a brand new Yamaha motor, which will likely cost me around $15,000. So I called Yamaha customer service to see if someone in a position of authority would be willing to do the honorable thing and amend the $3,500 offer. I spoke with David, who told me that the decision was ?reviewed by the Call Center Manager, and that my choice is to take the $3,500.00 or get nothing?.

I?m really mad about this, and I?m still paying off a loan for the original purchase! I simply don?t have $8,500 to pay for repairs. My boat and Yamaha motor will now sit on a trailer until I win the lottery.

I am extremely disappointed with The Yamaha Corporation, and their unwillingness to stand by their product. _____________________________________________________________________________________
Bill Adams ∙ Terryville, CT ∙ 203-561-7837 ∙ mailtobilladams@gmail.com
 

Bamaman1

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Re: '05 Yamaha 225 4 stroke now useless after 5 seasons

Bill: You are certainly in a dilemma that could happen to anyone. It sounds as if you've been mainly talking through the original dealer--up until now. The fact that you've been getting your boat winterized by a boat dealer should be worth something to Yamaha.

I am appalled that Action Marine is not willing to do the repairs as an authorized Yamaha dealer--that's bull. Replacing a whole powerhead/engine is not that really that big of a job for a professional mechanic. I saw Mercury's factory mechanic replace a Optimax 250 hp powerhead/engine and lower unit at a Bassmaster Elite tournament last year in under an hour.

I don't see corrosion being excluded from warranty--according to your service manual:
Exclusions to the warranty:
1. Racing or competition use, modifications of original parts, abnormal strain.
2. Lack of proper maintenance and off season storage as described in Owners Manual, installation of parts and accessories that are not equivalent in design and quality to Yamaha factory parts.
3. Operation of the motor at any rpm, other than specified, use of lubricants that are not suitable for outboard motor use.
4. Damage as a result of accidents, collisions, contact with foreign materials, submersion.
5. Growth of marine organisms on motor surfaces.
6. Normal deterioration.

Sounds as if you need to go to the top man--Phil Dyskow, President of Yamaha Marine. Your above posting is very well written. Clean it up a little, and cut the last sentence out of your posting--then send it to Mr. Dyskow's below email address. See if that gets you anywhere. Next step would be getting an attorney to send a letter to the Company and the Dealer demanding that your motor be repaired. Just be courteous and very nice to anyone you talk to.

Yamaha Motor Corporation U.S.A.
1270 Chastain Road
Kennesaw, GA 30144
(770) 422-4451
Toll-free: 866-894-1626 Website: www.yamaha-motor.com
Phil_Dyskow@yamaha-motor.com

Best of luck to you on this one.

I guess there is a lesson to be learned if you're using a boat in salt water. Ask if there are any anodes within the engine (on head or exhaust) that need periodic replacement. If you're paying a boat dealer to winterize your boat, make sure they're qualified to address such issues.
 

B Adams

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Re: '05 Yamaha 225 4 stroke now useless after 5 seasons

Thanks so much for the good advice Bamaman1. I will follow it.
 

robert graham

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Re: '05 Yamaha 225 4 stroke now useless after 5 seasons

I read on these forums about a week ago that Yamaha has a new President and he's taking a hard line on warranty work, so that doesn't sound very promising for you. It's hard to understand a motor corroding to that extent in 5 years, especially with being flushed with fresh water after every use. I hope you can get some decent consideration out of them! Good Luck!
 

Bamaman1

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Re: '05 Yamaha 225 4 stroke now useless after 5 seasons

Call down to Kennesaw to ask the operator who the President is. You can enter his name in the email format above. You can bet that there's a Japanese man there that's over all the departments--Waverunners, Boats, Engines. I'd rather deal with an Englishman anyday, as the Far East guys are known for their especially "thrifty ways."
 

pine island fred

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Re: '05 Yamaha 225 4 stroke now useless after 5 seasons

I certainly feel for your like the rest on this sight. Have owned a few saltwater YAMAHAS now, still have two, and have become very disappointed with them do to corrosion and snapped bolts. Is to the point that I am very reluctant to take a wrench to one.
Would be very interesting to know how you flushed your motor. Did you use ears or use the hose flush fitting. If you used the flush fitting, did you run the motor when doing so? I know the owners manual says not to do so, that you are flushing all the important parts but that is not the case as you have found out. Without running the motor, the thermostat will not open up, you will not get any circulation thru the block, just the exhaust. Been running mine at idle for years with no ill effects.
Allow me to suggest you also post on another site, yamahaoutboardparts.com , post your problem on the forum and hopefully a yamaha guru with a handle like WRIST PIN ( you will see what I am taking about if he responds ). If anyone can point you in the right direction, he can. Over the years, with the help of a few brews, he has shared some dirty little secrets with me. GOOD LUCK, keep us informed, a thread like this can last awhile. regards FRED
 

B Adams

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Re: '05 Yamaha 225 4 stroke now useless after 5 seasons

Thanks Fred. I am grateful for your advice.
Right now I am stuck, and I am facing an entire season here in Connecticut without a boat. First time for me in over 34 years. It feels like the year the NHL season was cancelled and there was no hockey to watch. It creates a huge void.
Yes, I flushed using the hose connector at the dock (I keep the boat in a slip) with the engine tilted and not running for at least five minutes.
-Bill
 

pine island fred

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Re: '05 Yamaha 225 4 stroke now useless after 5 seasons

The fact that you raised the motor in the slip brought up something I never thought about. I am spoiled since I have a lift and can raise the boat until the water pickup is out of the water. Unfortunately, looks like you will have a lot of time to figure something out. I am convinced that people are somewhat wasting their time flushing unless the flush water gets past the thermostat. Is a possibility that drilling a few small holes in the thermostat disk would allow enough fresh water by without running the motor. I would do this with the leg down, hoping that the full block would get rinsed without any trapped air pockets.
If it were my choice I would raise the motor until the pump water intake was above water and run it at idle. Since it is fuel injected, there would be no concern of messing up the carb float levels. Only concern I could see is monitering the oil pressure to assure oil is being picked up by the pump. Is a long shot but if YAMAHA will give you $3500, they are not losing any money if it is applied to selling you another motor, take it and apply it to purchasing something else. My whole carrier was spent turning a wrench on PRATS, GEs, ROLLS, ALLISONS, I know quality and good design. There might be a mystique around YAMAHAS but there is nothing special about them. Not trying to be biased as I have 2 of them.
To get you back on the water, might want to consider one of the program engines sold here at IBOATS. They come off lease from rent-a-boats. Unfortunately, I have never seen a salt water rental being flushed, perhaps they do it after dark. On the bright side, maybe YAMAHA will take care of you in the end, hope so. regards FRED
 
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